Ariel Sharon: Piker

Ariel Sharon, in the annals of desk murderers, is a piker. He’s no Kissinger, no Cheney or Bill Clinton. But it’s not for lack of trying. It’s always about opportunity. Israel’s southern border was made secure by Jimmy Carter at Camp David 1978, so in ’82 there were no strategic considerations, no exposed flanks, and Sharon was free to pursue “terrorists” into his northern neighbor’s lands, and he laid siege on Beirut. In Gaza-style, he cut off food supplies and rained phosphorus and American cluster bombs on the streets, killing only 20,000 or so, mostly civilians. Cheney snorted in his sleep, Kissinger grunted “He doesn’t have the courage to be a war criminal.” . .

At first, we did not use the word massacre. We said very little because the flies would move unerringly for our mouths. We held handkerchiefs over our mouths for this reason, then we clasped the material to our noses as well because the flies moved over our faces. If the smell of the dead in Sidon was nauseating, the stench in Chatila made us retch. …They were everywhere, in the road, in laneways, in back yards and broken rooms, beneath crumpled masonry and across the top of garbage tips. The murderers – the Christian militiamen whom Israel had let into camps to ‘flesh out terrorists’ – had only just left … Down every alleyway, there were corpses – women, young men, babies and grandparents – lying together in terrible profusion where they had been knifed or machine-gunned to death. … Perhaps 1,000 people were butchered,; probably half that number again. …What we found inside the Palestinian Chatila camp at ten o’clock on the morning of 18 September 1982 did not quite beggar description, although it would have been easier to retell in the cold prose of a medical examination. There had been massacres before in Lebanon, but rarely on this scale … these people, hundreds of them, had been shot down unarmed. This was a mass killing, an incident … that was also an atrocity. It went beyond what the Israelis would have in other circumstances called a terrorist activity. It was a war crime. …

[Washington Post correspondent Loren] Jenkins immediately realized that the Israeli defence minister would have to bear some responsibility for this horror. ‘Sharon!’ he shouted. ‘That fucker Sharon! This is Deir Yassin* all over again.’

Must have been staged, right Ingy?

Little known here in the US, but most of the world views Israel as the aggressor in Mideast affairs, and the massacres at Sabra and Chatila, carried out by Christian Phalangist** militias, forever destroyed the image of Israelis as moderates or humanitarians.

I am plodding through an essay by Robert Fisk, British journalist who lives in Lebanon, called “Terrorists,” written in the grisly aftermath of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982. Fisk is a war correspondent, and has done on-the-ground and independent reporting (no embedding – not this guy) in Northern Ireland in the 1970s, the Portuguese Revolution in 1974, the Lebanese Civil War, the Iranian revolution in 1979, the Soviet war in Afghanistan, the Iran–Iraq War, and the Gulf Wars.

I can take no more this morning. I am moving on now to “Out of My League” by Dirk Hayhurst. It’s about baseball, a sport where it is considered immoral to introduce a foreign substance like Vaseline onto the surface of a ball. I take refuge there from life.
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*Village in Palestine where members of the Jewish paramilitary organization Irgun massacred 250 Arabs, half of them women and children, in April, 1948.
**As best as I can discern. “Phalangists” think that conservatives don’t go far enough and fascists too far in killing socialists and communists. I guess, from an Israeli standpoint, this makes them moderates. They were quite useful back in 1982.

About Mark Tokarski

Mostly retired CPA living the life here in Colorado. Formerly Montana, 59 years, which is why so much of this blog is devoted to Montana issues.
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27 Responses to Ariel Sharon: Piker

  1. Ingemar Johansson says:

    Here’s a staged picture Mark.

    Medical experiments preformed on Jewish children at German concentration camps.

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    • I see starving children. Now, Mr. Jello, please answer forthrightly: How do the crimes of European right wingers against Jews justify the slaughter of innocent Palestinians by Israelis?

      You should read Fisk’s account of Sabra and Chatila, but I know you don’t have the balls to do that.

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      • Ingemar Johansson says:

        From Wiki. A right wing site.

        “The National Socialist German Workers’ Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (help·info), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the Nazi Party, was a political party in Germany between 1920 and 1945. Its predecessor, the German Workers’ Party (DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920. The term Nazi is German and stems from Nationalsozialist,[7] due to the pronunciation of Latin -tion- as -tsion- in German (rather than -shon- as it is in English), with German Z being pronounced as ‘ts’ as well.”

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        • Oh, you wanna have that argument. Yes, Nazis came in as National Socialist Party. They were also pro-labor, pro-democracy. Freedom was what they wanted, and when they attacked other countries, it was only self-defense.

          I ask again, even if by some far fetched-notion these were not right wingers, how does that justify Israelis slaughtering Palestinians?

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          • Ingemar Johansson says:

            Good vs. evil perhaps?

            Evil fires rockets from hospitals, apartment complexes, school yards.

            Evil uses innocents as shields.

            Good retaliates sometimes killing innocents in that action.

            And Good innovates.

            http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/153623

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            • Do post again here sometime when you know what the fuck you are talking about. You got nuthin’.

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            • You simply don’ t have any idea of he scale of horror and death that American armaments bring on Palestinians. You think there’s quid pro quo. It’s obscenely Israeli violence with sophisticated weapons and a few rockets on the other side. You’re impenetrable.

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              • Ingemar Johansson says:

                Read it and weep Mark. Classic good vs. evil.

                “According to a study by the International Institute for Counter-Terrorism, between 2000 and early 2003, nearly 2,000 Palestinians had been killed compared to 750 Israelis. But a closer, more robust look at the numbers uncovers the flaws of that effortless assessment. Indeed, it is clear that these disproportionate death tolls are due to the fact that there are many more Palestinian combatant deaths than Israeli combatant deaths. Palestinians’ rejection of Israelis’ far superior heath care, along with the Palestinians’ use of human-shields, has widely distorted these numbers in favor of the Palestinians.

                The most significant problem with a simple death toll is that it includes deaths of combatants (i.e. terrorists, suicide bombers, etc.). If you remove combatants from the equation and only look at noncombatants (innocent civilians), the tables immediately turn in favor of the Israelis.

                “According to the International Institute for Counter-Terrorism, 80% of the Israeli death toll is comprised of innocent civilians. On the Palestinian side, only 45% of those killed are non-combatants. Moreover, 40% of Israelis killed are females, compared with just 5% for Palestinian deaths. The numbers clearly indicate that the Palestinians actually target Israeli noncombatants and females, while Israel focuses solely on those that pose a threat, while at times inadvertently killing innocent civilians.”

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                • I just gave you an eye witness report where Israelis supervised the face-to-face gunning down of 1500 women and children. You don’t have the balls to read it and go looking for apologetics. And you found it – you went to an Israeli think tank that studies Israeli activities and finds that everything is cool! I’ll bet your shadow never darkens the doorway of Human Rights Watch, which has been reporting on the conflict for decades. Right?

                  Go away. You’re as shallow as a parking lot puddle.

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                • Jack ruby says:

                  You aren’t really simple minded enough to truly believe that Israel is ‘good’ and the ‘palestinians’ are evil, right? You must be just trying to troll Tokarski i dont think you are really that stupid.

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          • Ingemar Johansson says:

            When the NAZIs controlled all means of transportation, asking for papers, confiscating firearms, controlling the media, was that ’bout freedom?

            Loading Jews, Gypsies, handicaps and mentally retarded on boxcars for execution, was that ’bout freedom?

            If it was I’m beginning to truly understand your motives.

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            • You are so Dense! I am telling you the things they said about themselves as they went about doing the horrible things they did. You do get that they were not self-aware, like you. Right? And if you actually had the balls to read Fisk’s reporting, you’d see the same thing with the Israelis. Total denial of what they are about. Like you.

              You’re hopeless.

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  2. Ed Kemmick says:

    I do finally have to agree that Swede is hopeless. Mark indulges in transparent sarcasm, contrasting the Nazis’ high-minded facade with its actions, and Swede thinks Mark is defending the Nazis! You can’t get through material that dense.

    And please, Swede, do read even the shortest, simplest biography of Hitler to see what he thought of Marxists and Socialists. It really is no exaggeration to say that he hated them worse than he hated Jews.

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    • Swede Johansson says:

      Both you guys fail to see my point.

      A controlled society is my analogy. And who controlled its subjects more than WW 2 Nazis? Few, if any.

      The Nazis Party supreme principle.

      **The procedure within the Party was governed in the most absolute way by the leadership principle” (Fuehrerprinzip).

      According to the principle, each Fuehrer has the right to govern, administer or decree, subject to no control of any kind and at his complete discretion, subject only to the orders he received from above.

      This principle applied in the first instance to Hitler himself as the Leader of the Party, and in a lesser degree to all other party officials. All members of the Party swore an oath of ” eternal allegiance ” to the Leader.**

      Israel is a free society, only restrained by security concerns. Palestine is authorial, highly prejudiced toward another race. The funny thing is that Palestinians are more free in Israel than in their own country.

      This conflict isn’t about the spread of houses. It’s about threatening totalitarian authoritative regimes.

      Clear enough for ya?

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      • Regarding Nazism, cult of the leader, the supreme executive, that seems to be a natural outcome of having 2% of us who are sociopaths, and 98% of us not, and of those 98%, perhaps 93% clueless. So if you look hard at American society, you’ll see we are headed down that path. Fear is the greatest tool of tyrants, and Americans are the most frightened people on earth.

        Regarding Israel and Palestine, I don’t know what to say about a society that enjoys freedom for itself while imprisoning its neighbor and stealing its land. If they are voting to do this, then they are amazing hypocrites. But you are right, it is safer to be an Israeli than to be a neighbor of Israel.

        Your thoughts about Palestine are rather useless, as eh West Bank is under occupation and Gaza is a prison camp. You say they have an authoritarian regime, you must be talking about Israel, is that is the regime that rules the West Bank and Gaza. When the Palestinians did in fact elect a government of their own liking, Hamas, they were immediately attacked by Israel and the US>

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        • Swede Johansson says:

          Palestine, just like living in Disneyland. From Wiki.

          “The Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group reports that through “everyday disagreements and clashes between the various political factions, families and cities that a complete picture of Palestinian society is painted. These divisions have during the course of the al Aqsa Intifada also led to an increasingly violent ‘Intrafada’. In the 10 year period from 1993 to 2003, 16% of Palestinian civilian deaths were caused by Palestinian groups or individuals.”[54]
          Erika Waak reports in The Humanist “Of the total number of Palestinian civilians killed during this period by both Israeli and Palestinian security forces, 16 percent were the victims of Palestinian security forces.” Accusations of collaboration with Israel are used to target and kill individual Palestinians: “Those who are convicted have either been caught helping Israelis, spoken out against Arafat, or are involved in rival criminal gangs, and these individuals are hanged after summary trials. Arafat creates an environment where the violence continues while silencing would-be critics, and although he could make the violence impossible, he doesn’t stop it.”
          Freedom House’s annual survey of political rights and civil liberties, Freedom in the World 2001-2002, reports “Civil liberties declined due to: shooting deaths of Palestinian civilians by Palestinian security personnel; the summary trial and executions of alleged collaborators by the Palestinian Authority (PA); extrajudicial killings of suspected collaborators by militias; and the apparent official encouragement of Palestinian youth to confront Israeli soldiers, thus placing them directly in harm’s way.”[55]”

          It also seems that the violence and torture in Gaza and the West Bank falls more squarely on Hamas and the PA.

          “In June 2011, the Independent Commission for Human Rights published a report whose findings included that the Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip were subjected in 2010 to an “almost systematic campaign” of human rights abuses by the Palestinian Authority and Hamas, as well as by Israeli authorities, with the security forces belonging to the PA and Hamas being responsible for torture, arrests and arbitrary detentions.[53]”

          Lets review, declining civil liberties, PA security (read SS), sham trials, executions, extrajudicial killings, human right abuses, arrests and torture.

          Yep, sounds like Nazis to me.

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          • Seriously now, all that you’ve done here is give evidence that you don’t follow the situation. There is no news there. There is tremendous strife between the Palestinian Authority, which was once Arafat’s governing body under a different name, and Hamas. The PA is widely viewed within Gaza and the West Bank as quislings and collaborators. This won’t sit well with you, but Arafat was seen as a traitor to the Palestinain cause by most Palestinians.

            Now, step back, try to be dispassionate: Paletine was occupied by Jews and Palestinians since the dawn of Zionism, and there were periods of conflict. Acts of terrorism and war were committed by both sides. But the key year here is 1948, when about a third of Palestine was made into the state of Israel and several hundred thousand Palestinians were driven out. That fact by itself has caused conflict, but Israel, armed as it is by the US, plays a much larger role in the region than mere resident state. The US uses Israel to carry out acts of terrorism and violence that it cannot do for various reasons. (Kissinger and Nixon were deeply impressed by Israel’s performance in the Seven Day War, and since that time, Israel has been USS Israel.)

            Because Israel is so heavily armed, and because the US backs it, they feel they can do anything they want to the Palestinians, as there will never be recriminations. So the US has made Israel into a monster which is now taking all of the West Bank that it can, all of the water resources for itself. It has also imprisoned millions of people in Gaza. Israel is a violent nation that bombs women and children, massacres people, attacks it’s neighbors, disappears thousands of people into its prison system. If the Palestinians, with their limited weaponry, fight back, they are branded terrorists. It is no-win. Palestinians are the niggers of the world. Israelis are the real terrorists.

            The US does not care about Palestinians or justice, and for so long as Israel does the bidding of the US, the situation wIll not be remedied.

            I have no doubt that if the US armed the Palestinians as we have Israel, that the Palestinians would be dropping bombs and white phosphorus on Israeli kids. Power does that to people. Israelis, victims of right wing Europeans, have become the monster they sought to escape from.

            And of course there is infighting in Palestine. The US bought off the PA, kept them in power, and quislings are never tolerated well.

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            • Swede Johansson says:

              There was tremendous strife between the North American Indians tribes Mark. Even before Columbus chased them across the continent.

              They were called “savages” remember? They tortured, maimed, took slaves from competing tribes then turned against the europeans interlopers. The peaceful bands assimilated the warriors confined.

              I see no difference between modern day Palestinians and the tribes in Custers day. They don’t deserve land, they can’t live in peace. They can’t be trusted their word means nothing.

              The US does give billions to Israel. Other countries including us give to Palestine. I or we can’t help it if the ruling order keeps that money in order to make it\’s subjects even poorer. Crow tribal member are constantly be accused and jailed by abuse of funds. Starving members are easy to control. Starving members need a scapegoat.

              The west bank to me is another treaty broken. Broken by their own behavior.

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              • They were called savages.

                Some time when you are not YouTubing, look up “passive voice.” It serves a useful purpose in deflecting responsibility.

                That is using language to deflect responsibility, but you’re doing something else too, called “projection.” You are taking all of the evil in your soul and getting rid of it by putting it on the Palestinians, in this case. Even though you are slaughtering them, they are the evil ones.

                It’s a psychological defense mechanism. Combine that with passive voice and you get “In order to save the village, it had to be destroyed.”

                You’re a piece of work you are.

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                • Swede Johansson says:

                  From the dictionary. Which one better describes the players?

                  sav·age (svj)
                  adj.
                  1. Not domesticated or cultivated; wild: savage beasts of the jungle.
                  2. Not civilized; barbaric: a people living in a savage state.
                  3. Ferocious; fierce: in a savage temper.
                  4. Vicious or merciless; brutal: a savage attack on a political rival. See Synonyms at cruel.
                  5. Lacking polish or manners; rude.
                  n.
                  1. A person regarded as primitive or uncivilized.
                  2. A person regarded as brutal, fierce, or vicious.
                  tr.v. sav·aged, sav·ag·ing, sav·ag·es
                  1. To assault ferociously.
                  2. To attack without restraint or pity:

                  I’m thinking the ones strapping bomb packs on the mentally ill and sending them to public markets fits the definition the best.

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                  • One straps a bomb to his belly, the other to the belly of an American jet. I have no clue as to the mental health of Israeli pilots, but do know it is easier to kill from the sky than face-to-face. Israeli pilots don’t actually look in the eyes of their victims, so they might be human beings.

                    This death, murder, torture, slaughter, massacre stuff – the Israelis are very good at it and are a very good fit for your definition of savages.

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  3. johnny rock says:

    you all seem bent on deflecting blame and disagreeing! how about trying to understand each other as human beings, and not just bark the tyranny that we all suffer albeit america, england, israel, palestine, russia, china or wherever, at each other! this shit is being done to US by our OWN governments. you think they give a flying fuck about you? all the wars are just scenes played out to us, and frankly, you are all lapping it up like good little boys. keep watching the news lads, your countries love you for it.

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