Highlighting of certain comments is a way of gauging the mindsets of other people. Too often we are caught up in the cloud around our head and not listening. In that vein, here are a couple I found highly illustrative. First, Swede:
What is so aggravating is the fact that I quote scholars and learned individuals who have spent their lives studying and living among these people in the middle east. I bring you examples and quotations of political leaders to enforce my points. And yet you with little knowledge, no footnotes, trump all that is said.
The outlook there is typically black/white, that if a scholar/learned individual and Swede are in agreement then the case is closed.
I’ve read scholars on these topics, perhaps the most serious and genuine to be Norman Finkelstein. He has not only written on the Israel/Palestine conflict, but has dissected the works of Joan Peters and Alan Dershowitz and exposed them as frauds, Peters for lying, Dershowitz for plagiarism. His dedication to pursuit of truth cost him tenure at DePaul, as the underhanded Dershowitz back-stabbed him as punishment for exposing his deceitful work. Chomsky has also done yeoman’s work on the issue, himself an Ashkenazi, a product of the kibbutz, and a man willing to speak out against the powerful forces in the US that back Israel.
But having read Finkelstein, Chomsky, Benny Morris, does not grant me certitude that I am right. That is a product of a coherent world view, and that is always at issue, never settled, always subject to makeover given new evidence. If it is a matter of throwing scholars at one another, no one wins.
The matter of Israel, however, is presented to Americans as black/white good vs evil. It is far more sophisticated than that, I’ve come to realize. The whole idea of the Jewish “right of return” is designed to undermine our naive belief in the bible and the Jews as chosen people, something they wrote about themselves as part of their mostly fabricated history. One step deeper in fraud, the European interlopers are mere seeded colonists, and not even Semetic, and there for a reason having nothing to do with religion. They show their true colors at every turn. The job of US media, to mask Israeli behavior, is in part the job of news readers and journalists, but also in large part the job of scholars.
For that reason, there is tremendous Zionists backing of outfits like Heritage Foundation and other think tanks, as they produce the people who produce the words that convince Swede that he is right and everyone else wrong. They are basically lie factories.
This, from “mike”:
Meir was a psychopath…please…you stating this removes you from the realm of a reasonable person in this discussion.
Anyone purporting that the CIA or Mossad was responsible for Hamas is also clearly delusional.
The Palestinians have a lot of human capital and I’m sure a lot of very intelligent individuals, if they backed off the we have to kill all the Jews meme, perhaps a collaboration would be in order, shit like jobs and prosperity for the citizens in Gaza.
Israel has a good economy, sadly Hamas has chose to not let this possible good for their populace take hold and went back to kill the Jews, it’s a losing proposition for them.
When Hamas exists solely to portray the destruction of Israel and uses propoganda to fill their kids with this type of hate there isn’t much hope.
I’d hope the progtards that hang out here could see the difference, given that they hate capitalism I doubt it.
I put this up simply because “mike” is a pure reflection of every lie and attitude implanted in and suggested to Americans about Israel. As they go about their business, murdering, terrorizing, and stealing land and resources from Palestinians, they are shielded by Americans’ ignorance of the area and its history. The pro-Israeli memes are so deeply implanted, going all the way back to the days of Idi Amin and before, that it would take a lifetime of deprogramming to dislodge them.
So, in my mind, the matter of American public opinion, of trying to convince other people of the wrongness of the Israeli cause, is a fool’s errand. American public opinion is a potent weapon, and I am aghast at times to find that my opinions are mainstream on issues where I feel like a splinter, but isolation is a part of opinion management. If you see that Israel is a rogue state, a seeded colony, that 9/11 was a false flag operation, or other lies of our times, you will never, ever get reinforcement in mainstream media, which only exists to manage opinion, and not to inform anyone of anything.
It takes a stoic nature, pessimism of the intellect coupled with optimism of the spirit. There will be justice and accountability for criminals someday. Maybe not.