A fine line between religion and patriotism

We don’t need no education
We don’t need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave those kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave those kids alone!
All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.
All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.
(Pink Floyd, Another Brick in the Wall (aka “Pogie’s Theme”)

St_Ignatius_of_Loyola_(1491-1556)_Founder_of_the_JesuitsThe quote below, taken from The Varieties of Religions Experience by William James and attributed to St. Ignatius Loyola (founder of the Jesuits), paints a picture of a man without a self, a person wholly submissive to authority. Before there were countries and patriotism, there was religion.

“I ought on entering religion, and thereafter, to place myself entirely in the hands of God, and of him who takes his place by his authority. I ought to desire that my Superior should oblige me to give up my own judgment, and conquer my own mind. I ought to set up no difference between one Superior and another, … but recognize them as all equal before God, whose place they fill. For if I distinguish persons, I weaken the spirit of obedience. In the hands of my Superior, I must be a soft wax, a thing, from which he is to require whatever pleases him, but if to write or receive letters, to speak or not to speak to such a person, or the like, and I must put all my fervor in executing zealously and exactly what I am ordered. I must consider myself as a corpse which has neither intelligence nor will; be like a mass of matter which without resistance lets itself be placed wherever it may please any one; like a stick in the hand of an old man, who uses it according to his needs and places it where it suits him. So must I be under the hands of the Order, to service it in the way which judges it most useful.”

The Catholic Church made this a man a “saint.” Any questions about why?

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11 Responses to A fine line between religion and patriotism

  1. steve kelly says:

    What has changed is that now the Superior we see is fake. Layers of Superiors above the one we see lurk in the shadows, calling the shots. The top of this heap may well be an algorithm, or some other little known artificial form of energy writing the recipes we must follow to achieve perfect Order.

    ps. The book has proven slow going for me — a writing style perhaps a little too much like Spinoza.


    • Having never read Spinoza, I can’t comment. I find with difficult reading it I merely put a few pages behind me each day I eventually get through it, although I must say with Dostoyevsky i just plain gave up and will accept any Classic Illustrated version of his work. I am told he was incredibly insightful.


    • By the way, if the pope had told Ignatius to shoot someone, would he have done it? He appears to be scraped clean inside the skull.


    • The PR industry does a good job smearing any movement that threatens the machine, the profit centers that only know to turn nature into a commodity, by characterizing them via images on TV. Environmentalists I have known over the years are sane and smart, but TV images paint them as dreadlocks with lawyers suing everything that moves. That is clever, well thought out, and extremely dishonest and cynical.

      This is a case where it really would not hurt you to get your feet in the ground and meet people rather than sneer at them from a distance.


    • steve kelly says:

      “…a return to science…” Really, Swede? This all you’ve got? I’m surprised at you, not Crichton. Pseudoscience. His goals are commercial, not scientific. And his career all about blurring fact as fiction.


      • Big Swede says:

        Commercial, you say?

        And what then is the pursuit of grant money?


        • steve kelly says:

          Nice tap dance.


          • Big Swede says:


            “The central problem of climate science is to ask what you do and say when your data are, by almost any standard, inadequate? If I spend three years analyzing my data, and the only defensible inference is that “the data are inadequate to answer the question,” how do you publish? How do you get your grant renewed? A common answer is to distort the calculation of the uncertainty, or ignore it all together, and proclaim an exciting story that the New York Times will pick up.”-Carl Wunsch, Professor Emeritus, M.I.T.


          • I am an environmentalist, that is, I believe public policy should be employed to protect our commons and leave as much as possible unharmed for future generations. I think that at one time I would have been called a “conservationist,” but environmentalist, even though tinged in the media with dread locks and tree sitters, works too.

            I don’t know what to make of “climate change” and global warming. I am certain I cannot do a thing about it, and feel safe not worrying about it. It would not surprise me if scientists have bought a bill of goods. We can all do that.


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