I am not going to waste a lot of time on this. Oh hell, I already have wasted a lot of time on it. I wanted to know if the music truly died on The Day the Music Died. It’s a tough call, but my answer, if had to give an answer, would be no. Nobody died, or maybe four strangers died, or four corpses were brought in to serve as cadavers, or the whole thing, beginning to end was faked.
Start with the plane crash itself: Nobody saw it. That does not mean it did not happen as we are told, but we are missing a critical element, eyewitnesses.
This is the crash site. Three bodies are visible. Closest to us is said to be Richie Valens, and then Holly to the left, and in the field beyond, the Big Bopper. The pilot, at the time of the photo, I assume is still in the wreckage. He too died, we are told.
The plane is said to have cartwheeled 540 feet before coming to rest against the fence. We don’t have photo evidence of that – only verbal reports. Photographs are confined to the place where it finally stopped. Even so, if that is true, the plane would have been moving slowly by the time it got to this point, so that centrifugal force was no longer tearing at the victims, and they were gently deposited here. After all, the fence is not damaged. The plane merely came to rest there.
Given that, it is hard to imagine how the plane, at this time lacking force of movement, was able to deposit the Big Bopper forty feet away and across the fence – forward motion.
This is a better shot of the crash. That is said to be the body of Richie Valens. In those days they did not “Photoshop,” per se, but rather cut and pasted in photographic studios. If Valens’ corpse was added to this shot in a studio, they did a very good job. The grass around his right shoulder and left forearm looks real. The shininess of the hair and jacket is odd, meaning it was probably taken with a flash photo, I suppose, but I see no other evidence of flash reflection in the photo. I would think that a flash would illuminate the area under the wing of the plane in the foreground just beyond the body, but it only casts a shadow caused by sunlight, and this on an overcast day. As can be seen in the first photo above, the body is very close to the wreckage, so a flash should illuminate that area. This indicates that a flash was used to take a photo of the body but was not done at the crash site. This indicates pasting.
(There are as many as ten men in various photos, always just standing, observing. If “Valens” is pasted in, why not them too?)
Then there is this:
The head was badly crushed and deformed, the calverium region wide open and the brain tissue almost completely eviscerated.
That is from the death certificate. The “calverium” region is the top of the skull, and “eviscerated” means “disemboweled.” This person’s head is intact, and, to boot, there is no blood. The calverium is present and uneviscerated.
Buddy Holly’s death was said to be equally gruesome, with his head split open, half his brain tissue missing, and his chest soft due to the internal organs being crushed. The face was badly cut up. We have no photos to support this. It could be just good taste.
Again, going back to the top photograph, there is no evidence of any of this, so we have to guess that the photographer simply withheld the most gruesome shots. Or, that these bodies were actors, or that they were pasted in in a photo studio. All is possible, including real death of the real people. I don’t rule that out.
Here’s an analysis by a blogger named Hoi.palloi, who seems to have a keen eye for this stuff.*
Then you have the convenient halo of “snow” hovering around the tops of the bodies, making convenient cut-outlines framing their rotated bodies-and-chunks-of-ground-and-grass which seem undinted [sic] by their apparently collapsing into it. The snow on the bodies doesn’t look consistent between pictures, and neither do their heads, but the plants are always happily tucking them in for the Big Sleep.
Finally, for me anyway, there is this shot:
I do not know who the grieving man is, but that appears to be the face of a young child on the middle body. The third body from the left appears to be mere clothing arranged to look like a body. This is a fake photo [or a real photo of a staged scene], and it could be a well-known fake, for all I know. But it does come up under the heading “The Day the Music Died,” so someone is presenting it as real.
This post was inspired by the recent death of Prince Rogers Nelson, whose death is also suspicious.
The list of dead musicians is long – next I want to look at John Denver, as we have now a video that has recently appeared and is said to have been filmed in 1996, a year before his death. Something fishy about it, and it is not that he is fly fishing in New Zealand.
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*After I began to look into this, I discovered that others have had the same suspicions over the years. There is nothing new going on here. It is just not widely disseminated. Googling “fake death Buddy Holly” leads you right to debunking sites, but not to any real evidence.
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PS: I should come clean here. I was coy about offering up that they might really have died. I do not think that at all. I think that the wreckage might have been real, perhaps hauled in on the back of a truck and deposited there. Snow then covered the tracks. Everything after that is fake – there were no cars or men standing around, no corpses – that was all pasted in in a photo studio. Most likely no plane took off that night, none of the suposed victims were even at the airport. It was all a manufactured event.
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i was driving my pregnate wife to the mason city hospitol after staying at a co-workers house the night of the concert, Duane Juhl and his wife had invited us for the weekend. gail, my wife was not feeling well and while driving i spied a plane nose down at the fenceline and three or four people running from a farm house to the plane. suddenly my car slid on ice on the road but i regained control and kept driving to the hospitol being concerned about gail’s not feeling well which proved to be false labor pains at six months of pregnancy. later that day we learned about the plane crash.
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after seeing the plane nose down and seeing the people running toward the crash site i determined that my most urgent concern should be for my wife. sliding on the ice on the road didn’t help matters any. most of the photo’s i have seen do not match what i can recall.
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This is bullshit. You are the only witness to the crash and for unusual reasons were not able to testify to your presence there.
I tell you, this blog is a magnet, a magnet! for people who witness things and know people. We’ve had Sharon Tate’s neighbor and a friend of her uncle and people who are related to Las Vegas victims, all on a tiny blog!
Get lost.
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Slaughenhaupt = “A Hangup Hustle” or “Alpha Huge Nuts.” It’s easy to push anagrams, but hey, it’s fun too.
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Mark, it’s a bot. A deliberate BS post full of spelling mistakes.
You have read Miles Mathis’ paper about it; “The Day the Music Lied”, right? Ah, by the way, it is “hoi.polloi”, Greek for “the people”.
On-topic, I go for actors playing dead. Much easier than pre-Photoshop era paste jobs. If they can strategically place some crushed plane parts in a field, why not 3 actors (who do not even need to be Valens, Holly and Bopper)?
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I have a couple of serious questions about what makes you think they faked it. My questions are: Why would they fake their deaths and where did they go? I’m not say they didn’t fake it all just wondering why? All 4 of them would have had to kept quiet for all these years. Along with all of the police and family and friends that would have known about the plan. Just curious what your thoughts are. I am 47 years old and have always been interested in this event that changed the course of history.
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Yes but your opinion is that the people wer ejected immediately, The plane impacted causing the crushing of each persons chest as autopsy reports prove, The plane then skidded until reaching the fence where the bodies were deposited, My Valensuela had a severe cut to his left leg that did not leave a bit of blood. There was ample time for one last heart beat in each person. Such a sad ending, at least Buddy left the Apartment tapes that showed his true genius. I still get goose bumps when I hear “Your Mine” from Richie Valens. I am also friends with his sister that lives in Spirit Lake Iowa. I met her in 2012 when I was inducted in the IRRMA (Iowa Rock and Roll Hall of Fame with the Embers Band.
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Not buying any of this. Too many people stop by this tiny blog who are close to or related to victims in these fake events.
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Connie Valenzuela (sorry for the previous misspelling) is certainly not a fake person and the plane did crash. It crashed simply because the young pilot was not able to “fly by wire”. It is a known fact as the single eye witness recounts the plane slowly drifted down and to the Right. This is exactly what happens when a pilot has no visibility and tries to trust the feel of the plane, it happens when the stronger arm and leg of a right handed person presses on the pedal harder with their right foot and arm. It happened on the Patsy Cline plane crash as well. As far as the rumor that Buddy Holly was flying the plain is simply not true. As a former Scout leader it is a known fact if lost in timber let a Left handed person lead the trail as their gait does not place them in a large circle as a right handed person does, due to a longer gait on their stronger right leg. I was the only left handed scout in my troupe so I learned this first hand.
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Anyone who parades autopsy reports as truthful must part of the gatekeeping exercise. The coroner, along with the pathologist, is one of the key dramatis personae in any death faking hoax. They are all controlled. Period. As, too, must be the chosen funeral parlors involved but for them it will usually be a one-off bonanza/non-disclosure deal.
Patsy Cline was no doubt another ‘retirement’ from the music industry. Jim Reeves also.
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Glenn Miller also a possibility? Miller left behind his wife and two ADOPTED children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Miller#Disappearance
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Oh boy. Those pix & the ‘official narrative’ do not match up at all. The response? Emotions & outright trolls. And for the question of where did the fellas go if they lived? To a new assignment. They were cash cows minimum, and maybe much more useful in the art of deception on an international level.
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“That’ll be the day, eh eh, when I die.” fits too nicely and neatly with a scheme to profit on the publicity of his and the others deaths. That’s just one reason they may have done it. It could also have been a trial run for other fake events. Get everyone in place and test out the ‘team’ on this one event. The musicians involved receive fake new identities with which to continue working in their profession as session musicians…and get to leave behind the glare of publicity or whatever else they were running from. Bonus is they get a massive ‘pay off’ for participating, and of course HEarst newspapers gets to have a big distracting news event for the week (distracting from whatever REAL issue they wanted hushed up or ignored) PRobably the REAL huge airliner crash that same day (February 03, 1959) in New York , killing over 60 American Airlines customers. Nice way to make that go away , distract everyone etc.
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This post, written years ago, is receiving unusually active interest right about now, usually from people who only offer up ridicule and swearing … but still, why the interest? Why now for such an old piece?
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you will find these links fascinating, guaranteed.
The ‘pall of death’ all over the airways was part of an elaborate British psychological and economic warfare attack on America after WW2 (dismantling and distribution of America’s manufacturing economy to new SE Asian colonies such as Japan, Korea, and China, the assassination of ‘protectionist’ JFK, the flooding of America with drugs, the feminist and black counterculture , etc.)
This is why Holly was signed to British label Decca (American Decca) which also massively subsidized the growth of black American jazz (Louis Armstrong, Billy Holiday, and Motown via its sister label Universal Records)
see this links
http://letsrollforums.com//psychological-warfare-depressing-music-t32620.html
http://cmkxunofficial.proboards.com/thread/11726/27-club-rocker-deaths-faked
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Take a look at the trend for 1957 and onward (mid to late 1950s) , this was the emergence of the first
black rockers:
Chuck Berry
Little Richard
Sam Cooke
The Coasters
Fats Domino
So geeky-looking Buddy Holly is manufactured from out of nothing, with his main claim to fame a song about his own impending death (the death of the white geek) , to be gradually replaced by … you know who.
The lyrics to the song too are designed to infuriate women. He’s basically gloating that a girl is in love with him, gave her all her dirty loving and money because she’s in love with him, and he’s just this rotten cheating bastard, and knows that he doesn’t ‘need to be true’ to her because she will always love him anyway, etc. A nice bookend to it is that he actually dies, probably much to the satisfaction of 1950s feminists.
So the whole thing was another manufactured psy-op , with fake ‘popularity’ for Buddy aand the intentionally oversized glasses, he was the Archie Andrews archetypical white bastard , always being chased by the poor girls Betty and Veronica for no apparent reason, forever cheating on them.
So Buddy Holly was the archetypical dead young white male rocker/slut/loser . A trend which
would continue in for decades in the fakestream media.
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awesome. your post touches on many things I write about, and it relates to many current day scenarios. Can we talk somehow?
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Conspiracy theorists are deluded morons.
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As a rule I just trash comments like this, but I am making an exception here. One of us has studied and thought critically about the evidence presented, the other not. One of us does not automatically believe news reports, the other does. One of us does not necessarily trust authority figures, the other does so without reservation.
So, with all due respect, MacJones, I think you are mistaken in your identification of the party in this exchange who is a “deluded moron.”
Oh yeah, and don’t come round here again, you deluded moron. You are banned.
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So you’re going to delete my post from a year ago where I argue your so called facts. You think every celebrity faked their deaths lol. As if accidents never happen. It doesn’t take a genius to realize things can go wrong in a plane in bad weather with an inexperienced pilot.
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I don’t think any such thing … I only write about those things that do not stand up up scrutiny. This does not.
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I know what I saw. My wife was not feeling well and after staying for the night with a friend named Duane Juhl in clear lake iowa I was taking her back to mason city where we lived to go to the hospitol there as she was six months pregnant and I’ll. The picture shown was not the way the plane was as the tail section was in tack and still attached to the plane. I did not see anybody except for three people running from a farm house back off the road still putting on coats as it was very cold. I IMMEDIATELY hit a patch of road iced over and did a spin completely around, got controll of the vehicle and proceeded to the hospitol where my wife was diagnosed with false labor pains. She was so concerned over her baby and the tailspin on the ice that she does not remember the plane incident. She was in a lot of pain and doubled over in the seat. We later that afternoon while leaving the hospital heard about the plane wreck.
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I guess when the big bopper son dug up his father 48 years later this body was fake too.This event did occur get over it.You must watch cnn and believe everything they say now that’s fake news.This was the day the music died.It was a terrible accident and bad judgement call on pilots behalf and these celebs leaving in this bad weather.
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How, in your mind, does that prove anything? If BB’s death was fake, son would know, and would play along.
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How, in Mark’s playful mind, does that prove anything?
As none of the deaths were fake, the professional medic/coroner, independant witnesses, and BB’s middle-age son who was born after his Dad died, plus, the also still grieving Valenzuela, Holley, and Peterson families all have so much to lose from such a grave deception (and this disrespectful blog); but nothing at all to gain.
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Our analysis goes way back in time, back to when I cared about things like zombies and twins. You’ve simply bought into the narrative without a scintilla of skepticism. Fake deaths are common in both music and politics, and often times the players take on new identities and perform other roles. Sometimes they just disappear into the tapestry, as Prince has done. The difficulty in the Holly affair is that he was not one person, but rather two, twins. Big bopper was probably the military counterpart assigned to this hoax. Valens we never found. He’s probably dead by now but did not die then. Read further here at the blog and you’ll learn what happened to the Holly twins. But first, drop the attitude. You’re not close to figuring anything out. Time to clean out the cobwebs and turn over the engine and start the engine. It’s been sitting idle in the garage too long.
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With due respect to ‘attitudes’.
Mark’s imaginative talents might benefit from being more cynic than skeptic. Having missed way too much about this case well known by true Rock historians covering all the bases (including young pilot Peterson, grieving young wife, and families) for 60 yrs, Feb ’59 thru Feb ‘019, and ongoing.
Plus, the true Holly Twins backed by Buddy’s buddy Eddie. Another Rock tragedy oddly missing here or awaiting Mark’s imaginative-not-skeptical, nor cynical, talents.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=Eddie+Cochran+and+the+Holly+twins&oq=Eddie+Cochran+and+the+Holly+twins&aqs=chrome..69i57.20692j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Hopefully not now to be ‘Stalinist’ blocked? EverMindful aptly misquotes imaginative Clemens’ alter ego ‘Twain’, “It’s as easy to waste precious time deluding oneself, as it is to constantly fail miserably trying to fool others.”
We respectfully await.
Lurve, X
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“Stalinist?” Would you please drop the effing condescension? We block first-time commenters here, but only as a means of keeping obvious morons out. You’re here, you’re being allowed through.
The case for Elvis twins was not made here, but elsewhere, and was primarily the offshoot of a curious fact, two live birth certificates, one for Elvis, one for Aaron Presley. If there are indeed two, they are so close in appearance that only a confession from some powerful quarter would be convincing. One commenter (elsewhere) did note that twins appear in one of Elvis’s movies, and that it might be that while one was playing the music side, the other was busy making truly crappy movies. The volume of output is truly staggering. Intelligence loves twins, so does Hollywood (a tautology). Child labor laws prevent abuse of kids in Hollywood, and having two makes it easier. We have identified twins here in Drake, Rihanna, McCartney based on photos where the two appear side by side. The McCartney twins are easy to see with a trained eye, also Janis Joplin, easily seen to be two people sharing the burden of interviews and performing, one pretending to be a great singer who is 90% gyration. They too faked her death and “she” is (they are) still around.
The Holly twins probably had to be “killed” as there just wasn’t much talent there. These people do not write their own music. That seems to be committee work. Holly, the Beatles, John Denver all have real power and talent behind them. They stick to basic instruments like guitar and bass, and if they play piano are merely chord bangers. On stage they are trained to project their voices, but there is not much in the way of true, resonant singing ability. Right, Sting? In other words, they cannot last, and so have to step aside. Fake deaths are legion, fifty or sixty alone in Laurel Canyon. Since it is by and large Intelligence backing their rise to stardom, there is no shortage of players, stunts like digging up graves and people to play grieving relatives and these days kids living in Mom’s basement who come along to testify about how they knew the dead person or drove by the scene that night. Are you getting this? The music business is controlled from above, and not a natural uprising of talent from the streets. No one gets famous by accident. (This should in part help you understand why there is so little true talent around, and so many Brittney’s and Sting’s and Dylan’s who rise to fame based solely on power of suggestion.)
So drop the attitude, avoid use of words like “Stalinist” and pay attention, avoid being a fucking moron. And by the way, there is a smattering of talent out there, which is why McCartney (Mike) is still around. The original Paul, his twin, receded into the back lights, growing too frumpy and being more a crooner than a reasonably well-trained vocalist.
TETL.
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I’ve been catching weird things here and there too. Check out Nick Buss 2012 X Factor. Could it be a 76 year old Buddy Holly? Did he get recruited to write songs for The Beatles psyop? Also Kris Kristofferson, the son of a Major General of the U.S. Military and he gets a scholarship to Oxford University where he receives his Masters in English lit in 1960 only to join the Army and be stationed in Germany from 1960 to 62? Maybe he wrote for The Beatles psyop too, and for Bob Dylan. And Waylon Jennings was supposedly this great guitarist. Try to find a video where he tears it up, they even only showed his hands on the Dukes of Hazzard. So much deception.
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Sadly these poor talented men died in bad weather
I wish they were a conspiracy because the truth is so sad ! Whether people invented photos is possible but the musicians died and they should be respected and it’s cruel to state otherwise or invent nasty things .. they all loved their families and would not have left them
Also the grief felt by everyone is genuine
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If it were only these three, but I’ve seen deaths of sixty or more musicians and actors, and concluded long ago that none of them died for real at that time. They are employees on assignment, and when the talent runs short and the career cannot be sustained, they “die”. They often turn up elsewhere, as with Bobby Fuller becoming Bill O’Reilly, Pete Ham becoming Bill Maher. etc.
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