A short while back we put up a post called John Lennon Family Photos. Some interesting anomalies turned up. I will highlight three of the photos:
The man standing behind the two children is called the “boarder.” But more importantly, the girl has been pasted in. (Her whites are too white, arm lines too sharp.) That was done to hide something.
Again the same boy and girl, and the “boarder.” This time the man on the left is pasted in (his head is too big), and again, this is done to hide something.
What can we surmise given this fakery? As commenter Brandon reminded us recently, maybe nothing. We do not control the photos. That is indeed a fair take on this kind of work. What do we know about John Lennon other than that information given to us by his controllers?
But I am going to push forward anyway on the assumption that these photos were given to us after being worked over by intelligence in order to provide the Lennon back story. Tyrone speculates that the name “Lennon” is an invention, meant to sound like “Lenin,” since his public image was going to be the “working class hero.” Further, they did not think that the photos would ever receive any more than a cursory glance from the public, and certainty not the news media, which they control. I speculate that the “boarder” is the real father, and the girl could well be his real mother.
The official back story, that his father abandoned the family, that his mother was hit by a car and killed, that he was raised by Aunt Mimi, all served to hide his true origins. I speculated that he was a member of the Stanley clan, a powerful British family from whose lineage a certain Barry Soetoro (Barack Obama) was also drawn, if that is a true relationship. The back story is consistent in this regard, calling the mother “Julia Stanley.” So I speculated that his real name was not John Lennon.
One more photo from the Lennon batch completes the circle:
[Updated – see comments below: There is lots going on in this photo. We are looking at what appears to be a set of twins; Aunt Mimi and George are centered in the back, George looking a little tipsy and nearly groping the woman who may be his daughter-in-law. She is possibly the mother of the twins. George’s hand sticking out is pasted on, his arm too short. His fingers suggest a cigarette out of sight complimenting Mimi’s cigarette down lower. The mugging boy on the left was pasted in. They have removed a person from the photo, probably the “boarder” from the photo above, who then would be the husband of the woman on the right, and the father of the twins. The grass around the shoes was darkened because one set of legs and shoes had to be removed. In other words, this is a family photo, possibly grandparents, son and daughter-in-law, and the twins who we came to know in adulthood as “John Lennon,” not their real name.]
At this point it helps to know that John Lennon’s death in 1980 was faked. The link is to a 53-page paper by Miles Mathis. Some time further down the road I am going to look more thoroughly at the character “Mark Staycer,” but for now just understand that he is not John Lennon. Lennon stepped in and out of the Staycer character in a typical intelligence double-blind operation when they made the 2009 movie Let Him Be. (You might want to watch that dreadful movie soon, as I don’t know how much longer YouTube will allow it to play.)
I did not have to search far for John Lennon twins. I was given a set of photos by Daddieuhoh, and they jumped right out at me. My dilemma is that while I can see the differences, it is going to be difficult to pass the information on to readers. Today I am going to give it a shot. In the near future I intend to look for more Lennon twin shots, as I need to know if and when they each performed with the group. After all, we know the McCartney twins, Paul and Mike, each stepped in and out of the role of “Paul” even up to 1990 or so. I cannot say with certainty which twin played Lennon in Let Him Be, or if Mark Staycer is in reality the other twin. That all lies ahead.
For now I am going to use two photos that I know to be the two different men, and compare them from three different angles.
First, I am going to do the traditional face chop that we do here – with some cautionary notes. Imagine two balloons, un-inflated. On one you place two black dots, one half-inch apart, and on the other two dots one full inch apart. You then inflate the balloons so that the dots are the same distance apart, say three inches. To achieve that, the balloon with the one-half inch distance dots has to be blown up larger.
In essence, this is what we do with face chops – we set the eyes at equal distances on two people, using that as our constant. If the two are the same person, all other features align. That is how we identified our Zombies on the list to the right. On the other hand, if the other features do not align, then we know they are different people, often enough twins.
Often the misalignment manifests as one person having a larger head than the other, the balloon effect. This does not mean that head sizes are different, only that eye sockets are not spaced the same.
NEEDS MORE WORK.
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2016-12-17 10:41 GMT-03:00 Piece of Mind :
> Mark Tokarski posted: “A short while back we put up a post called John > Lennon Family Photos. Some interesting anomalies turned up. I will > highlight three of the photos: The man standing behind the two children is > called the “boarder.” But more importantly, the girl has been ” >
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Ithink these are the two Lennon.
2016-12-17 10:41 GMT-03:00 Piece of Mind :
> Mark Tokarski posted: “A short while back we put up a post called John > Lennon Family Photos. Some interesting anomalies turned up. I will > highlight three of the photos: The man standing behind the two children is > called the “boarder.” But more importantly, the girl has been ” >
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Mark,
Forgive my ignorance regarding photo analysis, but I had a question regarding the above photo where George’s hand is hovering in an unnatural position. It does look like it was once resting on a shoulder… but how does it work when removing the image of the person upon who’s shoulder the hand was resting? Most of George’s hand would never have been in the picture (obscured by shoulder), so in order to see his fingers now, they would have had to add them in later, right?
So, why add in hand/fingers that look like they were once on someone’s shoulder?
It almost looks like George could be holding a cigarette between his first two fingers to me.
Mimi’s jacket line is certainly suspicious, I agree.
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That was my first take – that he was holding a cigarette, but there is no cigarette. I think now the arm rested on a shoulder, the thumb and forefinger visible, and that they added the back three fingers – notice how the inside of the hand is completely black. This would complete the circle as he has his arm affectionately around the woman I think is the mother of the twins. Touching the husband while expressing affection for the wife is appropriate behavior, where a warm squeeze for the Mom while ignoring the dad is not. His arms extending like that make this a warm family shot.
This is all open to interpretation, of course. Others may see things differently. I am not sure the entire kid on the right was not pasted in, but if he was, it is a very good job.
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It does look to me like he’s holding a cigarette that is pointed back behind his hand.
But, his fingers look oddly webbed and the area of the lady’s jacket sleeve below looks like it has an area missing. Also, George’s arm look too short.
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I do not see the cigarette, but thanks for the input … I appreciate thoughtful analysis from you two. It is so easy to overlook and misinterpret things, so four, six, eight or more eyes are better than two.
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I lean towards the cigarette being in his hand (the angle of the fag is obscured by the fingers) for the simple reason that the older woman also has a butt going- People were always lighting up back then, and the old bugger looks a little bit lit anyway- The biggest tip off that there is a body missing is where the older lady is standing- She’s clearly in the center, flanked by two figures on her left and one ghost on her right, otherwise she’d be a little more to her right to balance the composition and integrate the boy on her right- People just naturally herd together like that for a group photo, IMO-
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This is supposedly Mimi, the aunt who took care of him due to Julia’s inability to raise a son. She is obviously a matriarch of sorts, a real person in his life, but not the role assigned to her. She could be a grandmother. These people seem to genuinely like each other and I agree, she is at the center of the family. So they wrote her into the backstory.
I did not see the butt in her fingers, and I agree, his fingers are in such a position that there could well be a ciggy behind them. I grew up in that era. Smoking cigarettes was done everywhere by everyone, in movies, on airplanes, and even in college classrooms. I went to see my brother’s campus, Carroll College in Helena, in the early 60s and the auditorium classroom had an ashtray in each seat. I thought it was pretty cool, and also that my brother could blow really awesome smoke rings at the dinner table when he came home on breaks.
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Hi would just like to point out that that woman is not mimi , it’s John’s aunt Harriet and her husband Norman . The young girl is john’s cousin Liela , and young cousins bavid birch and Michael.
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Thank you, Michelle. These thoughts have been expressed before, and the point of this piece is to express doubts on Lennon’s real name and origins. I suspect we don’t know his name, that he is one of a set of twins (like “McCartney”), and that his entire background is a literary creation to divert our attention. In that vein, we noticed that the picture of him and his mother is a horrible fake, making me suspect she was invented as misdirection, and then “killed” to remove her from the story. This would mean that his father, Alfred, was a hired actor, and that the other people in the photos are not who is claimed, but perhaps his real family. (We have discovered that Paul McC’s brother, Mike McGear, is just an actor used to replace Paul’s twin, Mike, who was then used to step in and out if the role of “Paul” to this day.)
The Beatles were an Intelligence operation, a contrived group with manufactured identifies, twins and body doubles.
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I believe the hand with the cig was pasted in. It doesn’t make sense when you look at how short his arm appears. It looks like there was an adult standing beside the woman who was cut out of the photo. So they put the hand with the cig there to make the empty space look more believable.
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couldn’t the arm be bent at the elbow?
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^ That’s why the fingers look webbed. The hand was sloppily cut out of another photo and pasted into this one.
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^ Of course, the boy on the left was pasted in too.
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That seals it then … the photo is telling because of the presence of a set of twins, and the identity of the person removed from the photo. This is the third photo of the “Lennon family” that has a person superimposed out of the blue to hide the removal of another.
The way that George is close to groping the woman in the right indicates that he may be a little tipsy, and that it is not his daughter, but possibly a daughter-in-law, the old lecher. If I had to bet, I would do so on a family portrait of a set of grandparents, a son and daughter-in-law, and their children, a set of twins who we came to know in adulthood as “John Lennon.” The son, father of the twins, was removed from the photo.
“Alfred Lennon,” 1912-1976, was a hired actor. “Julia Lennon” never existed, which is why the backstory script called for her early death.
So we are now up to six Beatles, and counting.
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I believe there were at least eight. Possibly more. This is my subjective opinion based on their physical appearance and mannerisms. None of The Beatles who appeared on The Ed Sullivan Show were a part of the group when it ended. So, not only was Lennon’s death faked, “Lennon” himself had been a fake for years prior.
By the way, the alleged “rooftop concert” was faked. They were lip syncing and pretending to play. All covered up via lots of clever editing and multiple camera angles. Most of this footage has now been removed from YouTube so you have to buy the DVD to study it but there is still a little bit left on YT. Why did they fake it? My guess is because those guys may have looked like the Beatles but they couldn’t play and sing like them, not without lots of studio help.
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Here it is in full – its NOT lip synced or faked
https://vimeo.com/95681569
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Sorry to disagree but it most certainly IS lip synced and faked.
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explain how you think its lip synced
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It’s very good lip-synching if that is what it is- My only suspicion over the years is how the Get Back single, presumably a studio recording, and the “live” version are so exact, note for note- There is the banter at the end in this version that isn’t on the single, but that is just an edit-
Then there is the matter of filtering out wind, heckling, cheering, etc- It’s the Beatles so presumably they had the best mixing equipment available- To my ear it doesn’t sound quite live- I have to say I’m on the fence-
And what is that guy kneeling in front of Lennon doing? Is he holding up a lyrics sheet? Is that evidence of live, or a feint to make it appear live?
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The “Get Back” studio version and “live” version sound identical because they are the same recording. Simple as that.
Of course, this is all my opinion but I think anyone who has played in a rock band outdoors, especially on a very cold windy day, with the gear available in the 1960s would at least be highly suspicious of this “concert.”
By way of comparison look at a real roof top concert done within weeks of this one and in similar weather (in NYC) with similar equipment:
Notice how terrible they sound.
I just don’t believe what I’m hearing from the Bealtes is being played outdoors on a rooftop in icy wind in the 1960s. It just sounds like a studio recording to me. Again this is my opinion.
Notice also that the NYPD shut down Jefferson Airplane in minutes yet the London police couldn’t do the same for nearly half an hour? That doesn’t seem realistic to me. The whole bit with the bobbies bumbling about looks staged. How long does it take for a police force to go to a rooftop when something illegal is going on? Did they stop to have tea?
Notice where the bobbies are entering the building at 16:50. First the camera is behind them. Then it cuts to inside the building with the door closed and then the door is opened to let the bobbies in. So, the police would have had to stop and let the camera in the building ahead of them. And then the door would’ve been closed on the police. And then the police would have to knock on the door and be let in. Does that seem like how real police actions are done?
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Of course not. Good catch! Because so much of our reality is filtered by TV (and increasingly, so-called reality TV), most people just accept these kinds of jump cuts and continuity issues without a second thought. The camera becomes invisible since we’re so accustomed to seeing the world through cleverly edited camera shots.
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I agree, it is clear from the camera work that this was a planned publicity stunt, and none of the footage can be trusted as real or spontaneous.
While the footage of the police, and all the nonsense going on down at street level doesn’t necessarily prove that the performance above didn’t happen as presented… it makes it waaaay more likely that is the case. Add to that the impeccable guitar playing, and lack of any major mistakes in the performance…
I suppose that it’s possible that the performance actually happened as shown, and it did sound like crap, and they just “released” it, so to speak, with an entirely re-recorded soundtrack?
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If I may add here, I have my ears trained very well as a guitarist in the past decades – look at 3:14 in the above video, the Lennon’s solo on the guitar is just not what you can hear as being played in the solo. Moreover, during the whole video, on multiple occasions, one can see how his delay in movement of the hand on guitar’s neck just doesn’t correctly correspond to the notes being played, timing is noticeably off. His solo seen in video is not what we can hear, not in timings of notes nor in tones themselves. In the same Lennon’s solo, we are shown Harrison playing his guitar, but I can tell you with 100% assurance that what George is playing does NOT correspond to what we see in the video. The tones he is holding would sound different if actually played then what we can hear in the particular recording. In addition, where is the keyboard instrumentalist in the “Get Back” song in the video? And not just in this particular song, live recording with a virtual keyboard player hidden from stage and view? As the shot is zoomed out at 5:30 in “Don’t let me down”, we get a chance to see the whole rooftop stage, but there is nobody with a keyboard there. As last, I’m not sure what kind of microphones are used in this live session video recording, but I strongly doubt that any singer could lean back / away so far as we see in the video, and get his vocal recorded with no affect heard because of it. Just impossible.
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Thank you, Vexman. I agree completely.
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Vex,
I was curious after reading your comment about the keyboardist, because I thought I remembered seeing a brief shot of him when I watched the show yesterday.
I went back, and sure enough, right at the 9:00 mark, there is a brief shot of (presumably) Billy Preston’s face. It looks like from that shot, that they have him positioned behind Paul.
Indeed, at the 13:00 mark, there is an angle shot where you can see Preston’s head as he is playing, as he moves it briefly from behind Paul.
So, it seems Preston was positioned at an angle, behind Paul, to his right.
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As I went back to 9:00 mark, I saw a face enjoying a music played, that’s for sure. As I’m no Beatles fan, the name Billy Preston you’ve mentioned was completely new for me. I went on to search about him and noticed he was actually playing with some big names in the ’60s, Beatles included. I think that’s why I missed noticing keyboard’s player in the setup – he still can’t be clearly seen with his hands on the instrument though. YT has a better video of the same rooftop concert, where Billy can be seen, not playing though. But I guess we could assume that Preston was there and not just nodding his head to the beat.
I even assumed until few moments ago that all keyboard tracks and playing in Beatles was done by Lennon… my modest thank you for all.
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Yeah, I cannot speak to the performance, the instruments, other than it appears that John’s lead guitar is much better than I ever thought. He does some pretty intricate guitar work there where with the early Beatles he was just a strummer. Paul (actually Mike) is not highlighted that way, usually shown with finger work obscured. I saw some in-studio supposedly candid ‘Beatles at work’ stuff and noticed that Paul/Mike’s hands were always presumed to be working but not seen, playing piano or bass guitar with his back to the camera or the piano between us and the keyboard. He might be a total fake.
But aside from John’s work, which looks intricate (and could easily be fake, like him), most of the intricate guitar notes come off-camera sources, not what we see on camera. The crowd below, the bobbies showing up to break up the show, the remarks from psssers by is easily seen to be fake. Hard to Imagine that amplifiers ten stories above would do a ninety degree turn and fill up the canyons below. That part had to be bumpkins.
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[Mark T said] “Hard to Imagine that amplifiers ten stories above would do a ninety degree turn and fill up the canyons below. That part had to be bumpkins.”
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Speaking of those amplifiers, the amps beside George and John have no mics on them. How then are their guitars being recorded? In recording sessions you have to place a mic on each guitar amp in order to record it. You do NOT plug the guitar directly into the recorder as some might think. The amp is part of the instrument and must be miked or it won’t be recorded.
In the rooftop “concert” the vocals have mics and the drums have mics but I don’t see any for the guitar amps. They probably didn’t bother because most people have never been in a recording studio and wouldn’t know about miking guitar amps.
And, speaking of recording, there is no recording equipment visible anywhere in the film. Studio recorders in the 1960s were big with big mixing boards and at least one engineer controlling it all. One might argue that the sound was “piped” downstairs via cables to the studio below.but that again raises the question of how the guitars were recorded when they didn’t even have mics on their amps. So, while I will grant that it is possible that the Beatles may really be singing in the film, I don’t see how it’s possible that they are really playing the guitar parts that we are hearing.
And, no, the cameras do not have recorders built into them. They are using 16mm and/or 35mm film movie cameras and these have no built-in sound recorders.
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Mark, if you look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCzqtnOmINo , you can see Paul with a band (or whoever that person is, actually, I wish he was the same as in the video we were discussing previously) actually playing. at 35:34 you can see him playing the end of a song on piano. It looks rhythmically correct, most probably the tones are correct too (can’t confirm 100% as the angle of recording doesn’t allow it). At 40:59 he takes an acoustic guitar and starts to play – he actually plays those tones rhythmically correct and tone-wise as well. I checked the whole video in this link, he even plays ukulele (the mini hawaiian guitar) and of course, the bass itself. It looks legitimate enough to say, that when it comes to Paul McCartney personae, whoever is acting him, can play the instrument for real. If you ask me, he sure is a talented musician/performer, much more talented than i.e. all those punk-rock figures that were decadently placed on the stage few years later.
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I take your word, Vex. I just watched part of that and have watched him in other performances too, and said in the “Sir Faul” piece from long ago that he appeared to be a very good performer. This is perhaps why he was chosen over the other original Paul to be the permanent one.
However, if you watch the movie Help! (after the opening sequence, which is original Paul) you will see camera trickery to disguise the face connected to the arm playing bass in some songs. (It is not necessary for most songs, which are lip synced, but for closeup in You’re Going To Lose That Girl they disconnected face from arm, showing only the back of the bass player.) That was the first time Mike stepped forward as Paul in anything other that quick cuts, the major introduction of the replacement.
In Beatles songs after that Paul/Mike was seen behind the piano, which requires neither left or right hand dominance. Paul was a lefty, Mike a righty. I would imagine that he has learned his instruments since then, so that by 2009 he had become very good.
Just in case you don’t know, I don’t truck in Paul is Dead or any such silliness. THere were two of them from the beginning. I used a photo in the Faul piece of a 1963 performance in Sweden that was Mike, and not Paul, little knowing that John was involved in the monkey business too.
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Oh, thanks for the additional info. I think I’ve read that “Sir Faul” piece, I just replied to your post above mine that he might be a fake musician. He isn’t , as we agree about it. But I still don’t know who is who 🙂 that’s why I said it in my previous post as well, I wasn’t implying anything about “Paul is Dead” nonsense. That would be truly confusing, as if it already wasn’t confusing enough with what they did with twins setup. I never watched Help! movie, and to be honest – after I learned about the Beatles from you, that movie is just something I’ll never play in order to learn anything additional about them. I trust your judgment enough to skip it, so thanks for that as well.
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Miles said at one point “enough McCartney!” or something to that effect. He said at the conference that he had more reactions to his Paul is Twins piece than any other, and I think he was a bit discouraged by that, though I am not a mind reader. I hope we can walk and chew gum here, as Straight and Daddie and Maarten are exposing the reality and fake reality of wars, far more substance than Beatles stuff. But this piece has drawn 536 reads so far, so I guess that is where our heads are at.
The stuff excites me – I was a devoted Lennon fan until I realized what a fake he was, never much cared for McC – as my daughter said one time, “They shot the wrong Beatle.” ANyway, here is a post that contains, as best I can tell, the earliest photos of the two McC’s after their 1940s childhood photos.
https://pieceofmindful.com/2016/09/27/more-mccartney-stuff/
And by the way, Vex, I enjoy your comments. You add a lot to this blog.
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Mark,
I remember Miles mentioning that, as well. And while I see his point, I don’t believe that investigations into things like The Beatles is without merit.
At the very least, it could bring people into the fold, who otherwise wouldn’t even consider fakery in the first place.
Everyone needs an “in”, so to speak. If it has to be the more pop culture angle that does it, so be it.
It’s all about unwinding our fake history. Proving that The Beatles “story” is a fake one, would arguably open more minds than just about anything else.
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Great perspective. I did not think of that.
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Nowhere in Mark’s post does he say that the Beatles could not sing or play instruments. He’s just saying the Beatles are not who we thought they are. He’s not saying they didn’t exist. So posting this video saying ‘here they are not lip syncing or faked’ is completely beside the point. What is the point you’re trying to make? Do you even have one? Or are you just trying to derail the conversation?
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Simon came aboard, fake identity, fake FB page, to explain to us that all if the photos were real (even offering two more paste-ups), and that the rooftop,concert was real too. He says he’s got forty years of Beatle devotion behind him, yet is FB page is a man in his twenties. He knows all the names the of the relatives. He refused to address the pasting-up issue. He was a spook sent not to derail, but to debunk. He failed.
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Let Him Be has a lot of ‘actors’ who look like they are part of the “Lennon” family.
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The family picture is Mary Elizabeth Smith’s (Mimi) sister, Harriet Stanley, who married Norman Birch. John Lennon is the lad with the cap on, the smaller lad next to him is Harriet and Norman’s child David Birch, and the younger woman is Leila Harvey, another cousin of John. This picture was taken in Edinburgh, Scotland 1952.
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Here is John with Aunt Mimi and Uncle George Toogood Smith
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Perhaps then you can explain all the monkey business in these photos, paste-ups and paste-overs. We are yet to find one that has not been monkeyed with.
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Thank you for thanking me for pointing out who these people really are ….. Oh you didn’t!
Why not? Its pretty easy to reverse search google images to find multiples sites and references to the identities of the individuals, and I wonder why you didn’t do that?
Show me and your audience where the paste ups are, but I pose the fair question that if you wrongly identify the individuals in the pictures, when their names can be easily found then I would, and rightly so, question your statement of pasting and monkey business!
Ask me anything you like about the Beatles, I have followed them for 40 years. I might not know everything but I will try to be accurate and informative
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There are three paste-ups here.
Why is your Facebook page fake?
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Actually, five paste-ups here if you count the two you just put up.
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i think you are sadly deluded!
They are not paste ups, if so highlight them to us all!
and I am NOT fake, lol
and you have still not admitted that you have got the names of the individuals wrong
Why not admit that
I like and believe some of the stuff on this site, but you guys are wrong on this one
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Gee, if you follow this site, why so quiet until now?
And please, people reading this, click on the name “Lucus Simon” above. It will take you to his Facebook page. Judge for yourself. I make no intimation other than the man in those pictures could not possibly have followed the Beatles for forty years, as they disbanded long before he was born.
Spook!
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I’ll have to take your word for it Mark.
I’ve never once been on facebook and I’m not about to start now.
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Spook! you are funny! pmsl
I will comment when I feel I have some factual information to add
I am the Quiet Beatle, lol ……. that’s George Harrison if you don’t know
You will be telling me he is not dead next. Maybe he isn’t?
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evasive then … moving target? the guy on that Facebook page is in his twenties, has cats and no friends, and says he has been following the Beatles for 40 years. It looks to me to be a front behind which operates a spook. You have offered up two photographs here that are paste-ups. I am waiting until the Broncos/Patriots are done to watch the rooftop concert.
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the guy with the big head is Michael Fishwick, who was the boader or lodger at Aunt Mimi’s house. Mendips, on Menlove Ave, Liverpool. He had an affair with Aunt Mimi in the 50s. The other guy is Stanley Parkes, John Lennon’s older cousin (by 7 years).
http://www.largsandmillportnews.com/news/14273985.Death_of_John_Lennon_s_cousin_and_close_friend__Stan_Parkes__82_of_Largs/
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You have most of it right. It is Fishwick and another lodger, not Stanley Parkes. Of course, the young girl is Liela.
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I operate on the premise that “John Lennon” was not his real name, that “he was (is) a set of twins (as is “Paul McCartney”), that his “mother” Julia Stanley Lennon was a literary device used as misdirection (which is why she had had to be “killed”), that his father, Alfred, was a hired actor (as is Mike McGear), so that your casual identification of the people in these photos is not reliable, and could easily be misdirection, not intentional on your part.
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mark..im pretty sure they were all twins,if not triplets. look at the early videos of performances and pics. george is different in some of them,barely being able toplay guitar,others very well. its been said they took him because was such a good lead player ..?and ringo there were atleast 3 early ringos..one i think the orig,really played with gusto,a hard driving beat like pete best. but the others were good and timely but just didnt have the energy.
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I dunno about twins – the official birth records [they can be downloaded from hard copy at the UK FreeBMD site] show that JL’s birth [no twin listed] was unusually hand-amended from 8b 106 to 8b0323/S yet his other three “siblings” were recorded unamended, even though they were allegedly fathered by other people than Mr Lennon
It checks out with whats written here, otherwise…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Baird
However, a red flag for me is raised by the circumstances of his mother’s “accidental death”..
“Baird’s mother was struck and killed on 15 July 1958, just outside Mimi’s home, by a Standard Vanguard car driven by an off-duty constable, PC Eric Clague, who was a learner-driver.[18] Clague later said: “Mrs Lennon just ran straight out in front of me. I just couldn’t avoid her. I was not speeding, I swear it. It was just one of those terrible things that happen.”
An off-duty cop….
If this were today, I’d be highly suspicious and I have no reason to think these “accidental” deaths were a recent phenomenon.
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sorry, 8b 108, not 106
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I have given you a couple of hours to test what I have said about the photo, and yuo obviously dont know either how to use Google Reverse Image Search, or you cant be bothered to give or correct information.
You claim it to be “We are looking at what appears to be a set of twins; Aunt Mimi and George are centered in the back, George looking a little tipsy and nearly groping the woman who may be his daughter-in-law”
I didn’t get a thank you or acknowledgement to who I said it was, and I was testing you to see if you really wanted to check the details – if you had you would have rejoiced in telling me I was wrong!
So …. I am getting bored …. here are the correct details of who is in the picture
Cousin Stanley took this picture of young John with Aunt Mater, Uncle Bert, and Cousins Liela, Michael, and David in Edinburgh in 1952
Aunt Mater was Mimi Smith’s sister, Bert her husband
Prove me wrong!
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if the 2 small boys are the lennon twins whos the bigger boy john look a like?
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Do not know.
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Please eject the troll.
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Why cant you deal with the truth – you cannot publish articles with schoolboys errors, that when pointed out still go uncorrected or even acknowledged. Such errors just make your site and other good articles here questionable.
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Please explain your Facebook page. It creeps me out.
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Are you scared of gay guys with Facebook then?
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He’s not a troll so much as a spook, lux. Word got back to MI5 or whatever about this post, and they sent out a low-level guy, barely disguised. If you look at his FB page, you’ll find he is presented as a man in his 20s with exhibitionist tendencies. Yet he claims to have been following the Beatles for 40 years. He knows all the family names for the back story, and refuses to deal with the photo anomalies, obvious paste-ups, even bringing in two new ones. We will dispatch him, but for now, it is useful to figure out his angle – apparently to add authenticity to the fake photos. He might have had some credibility but for that creepy Facebook page.
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I’ll take your word for his FB page. I’m not an FB member so I am not allowed to read it and I don’t want to join.
Gosh — he followed the Beatles for 40 years. Him and 4 billion other fan-tards.
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I have seen this several times before, a FB page with virtually no posts, no friends … a construct. In this case the guy is in his 20s, is gay, is near naked, and then is seen in deep embrace with another man of the same age. Highly charged, and not at all a normal FB page. These type of of pages pop up when a spook needs a cover. They assign a page that has been ginned up for situations like this. Why it had to be so gay is beyond me. Maybe the low-level arts and crafts people are like Hollywood, mostly gay.
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Thanks.
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Highly amusing comments – a troll, MI5, Spook! I love it, so funny
As if MI5 are really interested in your incorrect ramblings.
I look forward to you working out how I really am!
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Go bark at another tree, Lucas, the only thing that you’ll get here is your virtual ass kicked out. Be nice and go tell your owners, that they need to send in somebody with IQ’s value above that of room’s temperature. Is there anyone left from you spooks with decent ability to think at all? Before you leave, tell me one thing about your nick there, is it pronounced Luc-ass or Look-ass .I’m confused with it….
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You really are so wrong!
Its amusing that you all think I am a spook, and Lennon is a twin. Crazy as a box of frogs!
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Funny that his screen name is “Simon.”
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Whatever his name, he is gone. He’ll reappear, I suppose, in different cloaking.
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I haven’t gone, why would i or should I?
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Dear readers,
Lucas Simon, who we banned this morning as a spook, went and got himself a new IP address. Kindly ignore him and thank you.
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Good call, Mark. Just tried to watch the”Let Him Be ” video. The trailer is there, but the movie is”unavailable”. Sigh…
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It could be a copyright issue, and taking it down could be legitimate. Then the question would be being able to buy it, as I did. I have tried twice now to buy the soundtrack CD to the movie, with no success. They take the order but the transaction, with Abracadabra Productions, never goes through. The songs in the movie are fairly decent.
If you go to the Mathis paper on Lennon, somewhere towards the end he links to the place to buy the movie CD. Maybe that still works.
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Thanks Mark.
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The singing is pretty poor on the CD. While the voice has Lennonesque qualities, it would never pass today as professional, except as coming from an impersonator who looks like Lennon. There’s no support at all, and while he can stay on pitch for the most part, shows no technique or training. Perhaps it’s a non-musical Lennon twin who is doing it. Singers can age pretty well if they take care of themselves, often losing range but not technique.
It’s probably less apparent when watching the movie, as the other elements keep one distracted from the pure music. Kind of like buying a CD from a bar band or group you hear live, and finding it just doesn’t measure up to what you remember from the live experience.
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That, or it simply lacks the slick production values that the Beatles had in their day.
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Yes, that could be. Or perhaps he was purposely singing with bad technique to try to hide his identity. The older Beach Boys sure sound awful, so maybe they were never any good live. Could be the same with the Beatles…
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I listened to CSN without Y on Tonight Show a while back, older and sounding really bad. All three played acoustical guitar and had not progressed much since their heyday. I suspect a lot of monkey business making these groups, including the Beatles, sound better than they were.
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Mark, the soundtrack is on Rhapsody, so I downloaded and am listening now. If it disappears we’ll know someone is paying attention here…
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Is that a pay service?
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Yes, it’s $10 a month, I believe. Cheaper than buying CDs, and allows me to sample new things without investing…
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For me, the mugging youth in the third photograph looks like a teenage Beatle John, who I’m sure often did this. One that comes to mind is at the beginning of the “live performance” of Revolution. Here’s another
Perhaps that is not enough to be 100% on the mugging youth, but if it were the next question is who are the twins?
A first guess, based on the age difference, a growing picture of the interrelatedness of the whole project (Project Chaos Miles calls it), collaborations in the 70s, and the photo that I saw somewhere of a young John with cousin David, is that the one on the left is Bowie. The next huge jump in speculation, is that Jack Steven is not Bowie himself, but his brother.
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This is excellent work ! I stumbled across this place and I’m very glad I did.
There are a few things that I’d like to contribute, since this is a topic that has held my interest for 50+ years…
In one of the many interviews that the later (1966) Beatles did–you know the ones, where the four of them–who you could tell were sick of Beatlemania–would sit at a rectangular table facing the ‘journalists’ that peppered them with the same ridiculous questions at every show–one of the ‘Pauls’ was answering an interviewer’s questions, and in referring to John he did not call him ‘John’; I think what Paul did was, he screwed up and called him John by another name which I suspect was his real name. I will have to look for this interview, this will take some time but it fits in with what you said earlier about ‘John Lennon’ quite probably not even being his real name. When ‘Paul’ made this reference to ‘John’ he didn’t miss a beat, he made the mistake in referring to him by this other name then just kept on talking like he never said something that could, and would–eventually–tip off those with discernment that ‘John’ was not the guy’s real name. The whole thing happened very quickly and when it did I ‘filed’ it away in my brain, but the name that Paul uttered in referring to John escapes me.
Unlike the guy that was here to disrupt or do whatever it was that he was here doing, I’m here to learn and I can tell that you, Mark, and I–along with the others that are posting good stuff here–are all in this for the same reason–to find truth.
Something else, and I think it’s important–a person on one of the better forums about this whole Beatles phenom, burned some shoe leather (I love that term!) and researched the old hospital and maternity records in both Liverpool and in England for births that took place in the early 1940’s.
This person found mention of a mother that gave birth to a James Paul McCartney in ’42 (I’m pretty sure that was the year he was born) and that it took place somewhere in Liverpool. However, and this was a shocker to me and to many others–THERE IS NO MENTION ANYWHERE IN CITY, STATE OR ANY GOV’T. RECORDS OF A ‘JOHN LENNON’ EVER BEING BORN IN LIVERPOOL OR ANYWHERE IN GREAT BRITAIN/ENGLAND; NOT IN 1940, ’41, ’42, ETC. Nothing. Zero. Zilch.
What does this signify–an oversight or mistake ? I doubt it. Things like births in hospitals and maternity wards are concisely recorded and not overlooked by people that run these places. They make sure they get every name and letter correct so that the life that has just started is documented for it’s lifetime of servitude to the ‘state’ or in this case, the Crown, so taxes can be milked from this beautiful creation for as long as it lives upon this earth.
With that said, I feel I have much to contribute here but for now, this is enough of a start.
Again, great work ! I think this topic is becoming more and more known and soon, hopefully, the truth will come out.
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Please let me know how to edit my post ? Thank you Mark !
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Not sure what you mean. First time commenters are placed in moderation, one time only You’re good to go.
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Thank you Mark. I saw a couple of errors (!!) in my writing that I wanted to fix, since I typed this in a hurry.
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Mark, Is it possible to post photos here ? I have some pics that are worth a thousand words !
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You can’t edit your comments unfortunately. Only those who have editorial privileges can do that.
If you want to post pics, just paste in the URL. If they are on your computer, you can upload them to a site such as imgur or photobucket then paste the URL. Actually, I recommend doing this if the pics you want to post are anywhere else on the web so that way the links (should) remain stable.
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The Beatles: watch the credits of the band’s songs, in some he says only Lennon / McCartney and in others he names two Lennon and two McCartney, is very rare; Will the theory of the twins become more and more solid
2016-12-17 10:41 GMT-03:00 Piece of Mind :
> Mark Tokarski posted: “A short while back we put up a post called John > Lennon Family Photos. Some interesting anomalies turned up. I will > highlight three of the photos: The man standing behind the two children is > called the “boarder.” But more importantly, the girl has been ” >
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I saw that over on a Mathis post. Thanks for bringing it over!
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Hi again Mark, it’s probably old news (being the last to know is part of my charm) but has anyone pointed out the Anagram for Staycer is Sectary?
sec·ta·ry – noun – a member of a religious or political sect.
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There’s another interesting confirmation angle here: do you remember sometime in 1981 interviews about the demos for Double Fantasy being handed to Jack Douglas, and him finding that the vocals had been double-tracked? And then George Martin saying in an interview that the boys fell in love with double-tracking, John wanted all his vocals double-tracked?
From the standpoint of assuming all the narrative is constructed and controlled, what they are doing here is drawing our attention to the two voices. I should it think it must be very unsettling to listen to a voice, unquestionably believe that it’s a single being, when it reality it’s two.
And more. How did they manage all those complicated harmonies, and on four-track? Well, they did it with at least five voices. This particularly on that spine-tingling chord on Twist and Shout, which when they sang it live never looked convincing. How did Paul’s first note keep going when he sang the final high note?
And as role models: how can one person have so much talent? It’s not one person.
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Excellent observations … thanks.
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There is a video on you tube of an interview that the lads gave near the end of their run (mid 1966?). In the interview ‘Paul’ (and I’m not sure if it’s Paul or Mike) is speaking to reporters and he refers to John as Giles (?) while pontificating. He could be saying ‘Biles’ but it really sounds like he says ‘Giles’.
I don’t know why but I fell this is an important slip up on Paul’s part. He’s into one of his speeches where he rambles on in response to reporter’s questions. In this interview, the four lads are seated in front of the auditorium or meeting room with reporters asking inane, banal and idiotic questions from the audience area.
The interview takes place in a hotel and on the left hand side behind the seated Beatles you can see a young David Crosby with a full head of hair along with a fat baby face. Funny thing how Crosby is identified as American Royalty in the Inside The LC papers. Why else would he be traveling with the world’s most important people in the entertainment industry, trying to learn what he can so he can pull off his no-real-talent psy-op a year or two later.
You know that Stephen Stills was the strongest man in the rock world back in the 60’s, right ? He acquired all that super human strength from carrying Crosby and Nash on his back for so many years…if DC wasn’t American Royalty how in the world did he get moved to the top of the list for a new liver, while others who deserved it way more were allowed to die so that the POS could continue ruining the new liver with his indulging–or, over indulging–in booze & blow ? I had a friend who recently passed that was from Crosby’s neighborhood in CA. My friend was a real pot smuggler before it was a cool tale to tell lies about. My friend used to trade Crosby blow for whatever Crosby had that he was willing to part with–which was just about anything he owned–to acquire the unfathomable amounts of cocaine that David could snort. David’s formerly vast collections of fancy knives and instruments are still in my late friend’s family’s possession to this day..
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My first boss was a student in London while the Beatles were working on their Apple project. (BTW how does a computer company get to use the Apple name and not get sued?)
My boss, had a girlfriend who worked at Apple so they they often both hung-out in the building. He told me somethings try interesting and I’ll paraphase his words s’whilst not an exact quote it’s as close as I can remember “it was often thought by lots of people that Paul’s brother Mike was more talented than Paul and had a better singing voice.” Even being told this over 30 years ago had me thinking… Make of it what you will.
Has Paul McC and Mike McC been photographed together? I’ve always wondered about Heather Mills McCartney’s comment about ‘Paul/Faul’ and the public not being able to handle the truth.
A further point of my own, I always wondered why the ‘Beatles’ on the cover of the Hard Day’s Night LP sleeve don’t look like the Beatles. From the very first time I saw it I thought they were stand ins.
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Which album cover? Most I see are just the tops of their heads. Perfect opportunity, however.
I have seen McCartney perform, usually on the piano, and I have to say he is ham-handed. All he can do is bang out chords, as that is his training, and since he has done the same songs 50,000 times, it is muscle memory. They originally hid him behind the piano as he was right handed and could not play bass or guitar left-handed. He has learned since.
Is he more talented than Paul? I would say yes. A photo of the two of them together? If you go to the boat photo in this post, it is the best I can do. There are probably hundreds of them, just to give you an idea of the extent of censorship around us. It only works if we are not aware of it. Those photos are never seen.
https://pieceofmindful.com/2017/05/30/sir-faul-revisited/
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Here’s Crosby with his dad , I guess they are both playing dress-up
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098596/Photos-1970s-rock-stars-parents-reveal-humble-roots-childhood-homes.html
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These photos look mostly cut and paste and staged on sixties TV sets. What’s with the Brady Bunch collage with the Jacksons? Clapton and mom look real, save for the fact that doesn’t really look like Eric. What resort balcony are Zappa’s parents looking over their shoulders from. In broad daylight inside a tacky motel suite. Priceless…
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Really? You worked in television in the 60’s?
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Interesting that George Martin named his son Giles , 1969
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Martin
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There is an alternate cover down near the bottom
and the single sleeve has the whole bodies
, pinterest link is not working for me
http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=Hard+Day%E2%80%99s+Night+LP+sleeve+&gbv=2&oq=Hard+Day%E2%80%99s+Night+LP+sleeve+&gs_l=img.3…0.0.1.23.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0….0…1..34.img..1.0.0.aCABTwsZsQQ
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http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/db1966.0822.beatles.html
This may be that interview .
I remember from that bio. book ” SHOUT ” about Dylan meeting them at hotel
and staying up all night talking and the lads being freaked out the next day
and me thinking Dylan was revealing secrets to them …. now it all looks staged .
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I agree that much was staged, including meeting Elvis. If, as MM maintains, Elvis was twins, these guys, as twins themselves and insiders, would surely know that too.
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Beatlemania was way before my time. I get the “What”, but have you figured out why? What was the purpose of all the lies and deception regarding the Beatles? It’s not that we have never had brothers in the same band (say, Oasis, Van Halen…) or even twins (say, Nelson). Would the project have been successful straight out? Oh and, in your opinion, should I place Led Zeppelin in the same bunch of fake musicians?
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And Jacko thinks he invented Baby Dangling !
Flippin Grace Slick .
The why is to distract and sell things ..
With LedZep it’s fake Satanism .
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Working theory, and please excuse me if your question is addressed to someone else: JFK was fake killed in late November of 63, and there was tremendous grief, especially among young girls, for whom his image, though fake, was tailor made. The screaming girls, whom I once thought were orgasmic, were actually crying about JFK, and the Beatles served as that release. Such a mixture of powerful emotions, grief and sexual desire, I’ve never seen since.
If both events were planned and timed to happen when they did, then the catharsis provided by the Beatles served as a release valve, and thus began the sexual revolution.
Now, that’s the work of an amateur. Have at me. I know it is stitched together by thin threads.
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Thanks, Mark. Yes, I forgot to address the question directly to you. I did not phrase it properly, either. Sorry. I was referring not to the overall “why” of the entire project, but the “why” of the lying about the twins. Couldn’t have they both playing for the group as full time members? Would had it made a difference? Regarding planning and timing, between 11/22/63 and 02/07/64: 77 days, how about that?. Thanks for your answer!
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BTW, 77 = 11 times 7 or 7 times 11. Both 7 and 11 are prime numbers. Aside from any hidden/occult meaning, which is irrelevant, H4ck3r5 and elites favor Prime numbers. One important use of them is in Encryption, for example.
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I would like to know more about these numbers, their significance and why they use certain ones and not others. My current reading, Columbine, is just loaded with them.
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Looking forward for the Columbine post. If this helps, as additional info for that post: Prime numbers less than 50: 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47. I do not think the bankrollers appreciate the beauty of Mathematics, but the Architects of the Matrix, indeed did and do. Also, as you know, 2^3=8. The number 8 is a Fibonacci number (serie). Fibonacci’s also have interesting properties and relevance in Nature, Architecture, Music, etc.Don’t know if you ever heard of the Franklin’s Magic Square, I’d say you will find that an interesting read as well.
Also, sometimes we just play with Binary Code or Hexadecimal, so for example, when you see 11 it could refer to 3 (a prime number, of course)=2^1 + 2^0. That is why I posted once “This is the 11 time, when in fact, you should have read 3”. A very basic but useful Encryption technique is Caesar’s cipher (Roman Empire, again) and most, a variation of this, called ROT13.
You can read a lil’bit more about these numbers here:
http://www.mathworksheetscenter.com/mathtips/primenumbers.html
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I look for an inside signaling system, and prime numbers are certainly part of it (11), but I see a lot of doubles, and come back again and again to 8, 11 and 33. Do not know why.
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Hmmm… An inside system you can only get it from an insider… As in the best way to rob a bank is to own one. I would bet all your money most spooks really don’t know the meaning behind the favored numbers… They just know those are their markers and use/read them accordingly. We do not necessarily have to know how something works to use it, do we?… IMHO, some numbers besides of their numerical properties are used as a homage to some of the Architects… Well, I can take you so far back 453 years with certainty. Vernal equinox. Thirty-three, eleven; are a nod to John Dee, one of the Architects…, the original (the one and only, really) “007”. Also, I’m no jew, but I know the tradition of circumcision takes place on the 8th day of the newborn and some other traditions involve number 8. Besides, 8 is a lucky number for some important asian cultures (chinese, japanese). This is very interesting, want to know what is on Longitude 77? Why didn’t they build the capital on New Amsterdam? Coordinates: 38 58 N 77 0 W… District of Columbia, aka, Washington. They built Washington, DC on that particular location not by chance. John Dee gets the blame (or credit) for that. In fact, he (and Sir Francis Bacon) would be the one(s) to blame for this experiment that is Atlantis or better say, New Atlantis, aka USA.
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Why on the twins? Outside looking in, the demands on them, interviews, concerts, studio time, photo sessions … just easier?
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Weren’t the screaming girls hired from a local college for the Beatle’s arrival and Ed Sullivan program? No doubt they were attempting to trigger something like you describe, but I wonder how much of that was real and how much was an avalanche of young female emotion that fed on itself.
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Then as now, the public is highly suggestible.
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Mark, I think you’ll find this website of interest – the site name & front page is pretty self explanatory! I haven’t personally been through the site in depth as I’d already sussed the multi-persona player psyop in the media/celebrity world by the time it came to my attention, although I do have ‘Linda’ McCartney on my match ups list LOL
http://thebeatlesneverexisted.com/
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I found the woman who runs the site to be a lurking and censorious. I put up words she did not agree with, and rather than disagree, she deleted them and warned me not to go against their prevailing groupthink. I left and did not return.
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Ah OK, that’s a shame. Anyway, I think that just looking at the pictures there is enough to see the differences in each Beatle over the years and to know there was a variety of different guys playing the roles of each.
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