I have been debating whether or not to link to a critique of the work of Miles Mathis, and have decided to go ahead with it. For one, the tone is respectful, and for another, I don’t have to, nor do I want to participate. I am not going to print the piece here, but rather just link to it with the warning that it is over 7,000 words long. I don’t think too many people want to take on a large reading project without warning. Right, Petra? TimR? (I bring up those two names not to belittle them, but rather because they strike me as two people who would indeed dive in)
As to my own participation, I once allowed a piece to be run here that was not only critical, but disrespectful in the extreme, even hurtful of the man’s feelings. I deeply regret that. When the author left here I took the piece down and I contacted MM, told him what I had done, and also that I could not undo what I had done. I didn’t apologize, as that seemed a bit obsequious, and what good would it do? Done was done. I only decided for myself that I would lay off criticism of MM, permanently. I had not earned the right.
The piece is from a blog called Overdue Revolutions, and is titled Methodological Flaws in Mathisian Conspiracy Theory and Directions for Future Research. I was a little put off by the idea that “conspiracy theory” can be treated like a science, when all it is in the main is connective research. No one on the other side will ever admit to being part of any planned activity against the public weal, so that this “science” is one that must exist without admitted evidence. That’s all MM usually does is connect dots. Some of his work is groundbreaking. I have no idea of his readership, only that I am part of it. Indeed, it changed my life.
The post is by a Canuck named Kieran, and that is all I know about him. Quite a few times when reading it I thought I had come to a logical end, but the post went on. Just a warning.
Piece of Mindful 
Hello,
I discovered MM through POM maybe 2 years ago while asking if John Denver faked his death. I lived in Salinas at that time not far from Monterey Bay.
I enjoy reading MM but have noticed some things I question:
Politely point out something via email and get crickets.
A one line response to a heavy question. I was hoping for more from you, MM.
His use of a lot of Brit slang is curious to say the least yet he does not say he spent time in England etc. I use a lot of Brit slang in my everyday speech simply because I love 99% of things British. I was 6 years old when the Beatles hit America and had been a fan until I see they are not as presented. I watch British TV shows on PBS but don’t subscribe because I disagree with most of PBS’ position on so many topics. I read a lot of books by British authors etc. Brit speak comes easily to me as it does to my daughters learning from me and when asked which country I would love to visit again would be the British Isles.
I’ve found his writing style changes within days of other writings yet those are attributed to MM rather than a guest writer.
I think the photo of a younger man on his website to be misleading. It looks like that is MM. It is not.
His ego. Enough said.
He said he is engaged to be married at least a year ago yet nothing said beyond that.
He talks of making it by just above the poverty level yet in other writings about himself he asserts he is better off yet how have his circumstances changed?
Why did he leave Taos New Mexico for a California town near Reno? He stated he went into a deep depression after that move.
On a personal note his breeding cats with impunity and allowing them to roam free and in some cases hit by a car or taken by coyotes, as nature’s way. He says he gives them away. I get that he makes no money. I have five cats. All rescues. He’s not part of the solution. He’s part of the problem.
I do look forward to reading his papers as I enjoy reading POM writers but sometimes I just wonder about him and is he a committee or not.
I probably have more to say but this is a start. I haven’t finished reading the linked essay.
On a side note, the spelling of names changing, Killion is also spelled Killian and is related to Killeen and Colleen and my maiden name Compton has variations as well that might not signify spookiness at all.
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I have no idea why rhat comment went to spam. You violated no rules.
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Waiting for my comment to appear
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Thank you, Mark; I know I am not alone in having wished for such a serious, fair-minded and systematic assessment of the Mathis oeuvre. I began to feel somewhat uncomfortable, though still profoundly impressed (as I remain), with Mathis’ nonscientific work soon after discovering it in 2016. For me, it began with his repeated misinterpretation of photographic evidence: the Bobby Kennedy assassination essay, the one claiming Paul McCartney has a twin, and many other egregious examples.
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He has a job to do. Many people understand it and just keep quiet. We have such a small community already, no point alienating ourselves further. Others half understand it, speak out and get booted like Kieran. Personally I want a higher level guru. But I don’t think they are giving us one. Is anyone interested in the job?
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I believe I read two of Kieran’s articles on the subject a couple of days ago.
i did write a long comment here but I deleted it. People either already know or they will hate what I wrote, no point upsetting people.
I am understanding better day by day why our lords do things the way they do. And I believe it’s the only way.
Remember anytime someone says if we all just……… It’s complete fantasy. Anything other than I will……….. is absolute BS. Even just trying to change yourself is hard enough, getting one other person to do what you want required lots of manipulation, just try with your kids or the guy across the street. Getting he whole world to do something…….wow.
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Well, I really regret that I missed this long comment of yours..! I always like to read things that “might just upset me”, haha. Your extant comments are a little cryptic.. but hint that you possess some high level of knowledge or wisdom.. or believe you do. But sharing it would just upset us, alas..!
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No I don’t have any high level of knowledge or wisdom sorry for any misunderstanding. It’s simply logic everyone promoted is done so intentionally. There is no exception. If they are opposition they are therefore controlled opposition. Some might not know it but that doesn’t make any difference. In my post I was just explaining the methods used by the controlled opposition artists and how the methods work on different groups. I will write it out again some time. The audience here is a little different to most other places.
The trouble with this stuff though, is it generates lots of hate. Either people hate me the messenger because I am saying their hero is a fraud . Or you get the ‘you think you know everything and your so much better than us’. I might know a lot more on this particular topic and swimming pools and sports betting yet a lot less in other areas. In many areas of life I know very little. There are also millions of people out there who know as much or more about how this all works. They are just smart enough to shut up and get on with things. I’m not yet there.
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Sure, I get that.. indeed, if you’re talking about MM being controlled opposition it’s an idea most here have considered and weighed in their own way. I don’t profess to know either way myself, I can see arguments on both sides. Just teasing you about hinting at having it figured out, but not wanting to say more. It’s kind of a mushy middle.. speak or don’t speak.. so to speak. No offense though, I understand your reluctance.
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Very interesting analysis and I’m grateful for the introduction to new concepts (as well as a body of work which I shall take a look at – I’ve done the Conspiracy Survey already):
Strong-link / weak-link problem
“https://www.experimental-history.com/p/science-is-a-strong-link-problem”
Consilience – the principle that evidence from independent, unrelated sources can “converge” on strong conclusions
“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consilience”
Actually, in the case of consilience I’ve seen it before, however, it didn’t take root. Now it does because I see that what I look for is consilience because consilience simply reflects reality. If an hypothesis is correct then all pieces of evidence – whether direct or indirect but relevant in some way – will be consistent with if not favour that hypothesis. The nature of reality simply demands consilience, it cannot be any other way.
From the post:
“If certain factors are correlated with the existence of a conspiracy, like certain symbolic markers (e.g. the number 33, hidden hand or eye symbolism, etc.) then these can only be considered evidence when measured against the base rate. As an example, the number 33 will naturally occur in many articles or stories where there is no conspiracy. For the presence of a 33 to be considered evidence (in the Bayesian sense) it must be considered in light of the base expected occurrence rate of 33.”
I’d disagree with needing to concern ourselves with a base rate because the Revelation of the Method technique always employed in psyops ensures that we get the clues in numerous ways – they hand us consilience on a platter so to speak. It will never be just one Masonic number or symbol and even beyond Masonic clues there will be other clues in addition to quite often, eg, 9/11, a base narrative that has no credibility to start with.
I agree with Kieran, generally, that MM makes claims that are not backed by sufficient evidence.
Miles Mathis’ own genealogy
This is an interesting analysis of Miles Mathis’ own genealogy by Omar Jordan if anyone’s interested.
“https://mega.nz/file/kMYBUJZI#6nRrsitJubKmeAqSThby4WYRhhhl7SH59TzwSbkaD78”
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In relation to MM’s claims I mean to say “some claims that are not backed by sufficient evidence” not all.
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It’s true, I’m another victim of tech overload..! I just don’t seem to find the time to read long form print the way I used to. Although I’m always planning to somehow work it back into my routine.
I’ve read maybe half of the linked paper – Kieran seems to be making good points, introducing useful ideas and concepts, so far. Much of it is stuff that I had/ have a sense of while reading Mathis, but would not be able to articulate that well or as rigorously. I’m guessing Kieran has an academic background maybe? It reads a little like someone trained in that type of thinking and writing.
However – I strongly disagree that this kind of academic rigor is needed in MMs writing! Lol. Evidently it’s not his inclination, which is understandable enough. It would be dry and tedious to write that way, and likewise to read. It would probably take much longer, or require a team of assistants. Anyone as admirably rigorous as Kieran is free to follow up on all those question marks themselves. Else, they can read with a grain of salt, as I do.
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Regarding the point about academic rigour being tedious: do you want conspiracy theory to be a form of entertainment, or a methodical search for truth? If you are simply looking for entertainment with no implied truth content then Miles’ writing is fine. If you want to actually search for truth you then do need epistemic standards, and Miles’ work needs to be made more rigorous in the way I have described. The academy itself may be dishonest, and use some of the methods I have described as a superficial cover for the underlying falseness of their intellectual output, however that does not mean the methods are the problem. I actually want to know what’s true, and I am willing to be bored if that’s what it takes to figure it out. If you aren’t even willing to read something ‘dry’ and ‘tedious’, let alone do such research yourself, then what entitles you to know the truth? It is a normie position to expect the truth spoonfed to you in an entertaining manner. There is a legitimate place in the information ecosystem for conjecture, however do not expect anyone to take it seriously if conjecture it remains without subsequent rigorous work to ascertain the truth or falsity of the proposition.
Also, my I found that my wordpress was banned this morning. If I were a conspiracy theorist I would think it had something to do with criticizing Miles… In any case you may want to update the URL with the archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20241003030255/https://overduerevolutions.wordpress.com/2024/10/02/methodological-flaws-in-mathisian-conspiracy-theory-and-directions-for-future-research/
Also, what are the odds that I can get it restored, it would be a pain in the ass to have to migrate to another platform.
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Thanks for this.
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I wonder if the concepts of “academic rigor” and “academic-sounding, pretentious, abstruse writing style” are being used interchangeably between you and TimR?
Dry, mind-numbing academic verbiage that makes the author sound smart to himself and his academic peers and unreadable to almost everyone else does not make a piece of writing academically rigorous.
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Ha… I didn’t intend to use them interchangeably, for my part, but I’ll admit I don’t have the line between them well sorted..
Having read all of Kieran’s piece now, and his paper describing his falling out with MM on the Mathisian Haven site.. it appears to me that his writing is rigorous in a good way.. though, due to my own shortcomings, can at times cause MEGO. But so can MMs genealogy for that matter.
I’m midway in age between Kieran and Miles.. So perhaps that’s why it occurred to me that K is expounding (no offense K) a classic young man’s philosophy of the search for truth via epistemological rigor and scientific method of some sort. Whereas in a passage he quotes, Miles discusses not being an asshole to Nature as modern academics are.. actually read it yourself, I can’t paraphrase it properly. But it struck me as a defensible, wise position, even though I gave it as an example of lack of rigor, “divine revelation” and so on.
I’m very open to the idea that Nature may not be willing to give up her secrets to the materialists so easily as they might think, in their hubris.
Another thing, it’s not that K is wrong in his critique of MMs response to criticism, or the Mathisian Haven forum but, well, it is right there in the name isn’t it.. I haven’t been to that site, but it’s not surprising they are acolytes and MM their guru. Why not? Miles does have a lot of admirable qualities, for all the points that turn people off. He probably is smarter, wiser, cleverer, than everyone there. I think they could pick a worse guru. Personally I like “questioning everything” but I can see the appeal of a “haven” for people who think they have found a decent “ledge” on the way up the mountain..
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correction – “even though Kieran gave it as an example…”
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There is hardly anything I can say or critique about Kieran’s piece. He raises so many valid points that I can only say kudos for taking his time and deep-diving into not only Miles’ own method but the method of conspiracy analysis in general.
To all Miles’ adversaries – this is how you should approach the subject of criticism. You ought to take notes and cling to this type of rigorousness when attempting to add your 2 cents to anything related to criticizing Miles.
@TimR
It’s rather saddening to understand your viewpoint of conspiracy-themed content in general – apparently you’re into Miles writings for the pleasure of entertainment. I boggles my mind trying to understand how in the world are you being able to be amused or entertained by learning how screwed up everything about the subject is in reality. You’ve completely misunderstood the request for rigour Kieran wrote about so I’ll tell you what it is really about in just a few short sentences – rigour is absolute necessity of the analysis, since in the first place it guarantees consistency in approaching the disclosure of any conspiracy. It vouches for transparency and repetitiveness of such method, producing the same kind of result on each attempt. That’s the point of Kieran’s piece. From another angle it means that without this kind of rigour, one is prone to produce hypotheses that aren’t fault-proof.
@Petra
You just can’t resist talking about yourself and your revelation of method whenever there’s a chance, do you? If only you’d learn something from Kieran, it would certainly help your own analysis for the better. Why not try to add something of worth to the content Kieran wrote about instead of promoting your own? This is really important stuff to contemplate on for anybody who’s into analysis of conspired reality, and you’re definitely in need for improving your own method.
@Mark
You’ve limited yourself from criticizing Miles presumably because of feeling guilty for that rather empty and circumstantial piece about him you’ve published a few years ago. There’s nobody else prohibiting or not allowing you to place a critique where it’s needed. It’s the very same as in some other cases – if you believe there’s something that needs correction or you’ve noticed errors in reasoning, you should come forward without being afraid of the impact it will have on the author. Who cares about the emotions when we’re after the truth? This self-policing is pointless.
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I was raised Catholic, so that sack cloth and ashes is part of me.
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So my comment is a little me-focused but I point out that my first two links are from Kieran’s article.
Let me just say that I think Kieran’s work is extremely valuable and I recommend his substack https://liminalrevolutions.substack.com/ as well as his now archived website. So strange they banned it the day Mark published the MM article.
I highly recommend his article, Elite Theory as the Intellectual Basis of Conspiracy Theory
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So my comment is a little me-focused – would just like to point out that the first two links are from Kieran’s article and that I express gratitude for this article introducing me to new concepts and an interesting body of work.
Let me recommend Kieran’s new substack, https://liminalrevolutions.substack.com/, and the article I just read there, Elite Theory as the Intellectual Basis of Conspiracy Theory. Quite a lot of interesting information on controlled opposition. His articles may not make for easy reading but you can always read something more than once!
Such a shame that his website was banned … and very strange that it was banned the same day as the posting of this article.
To my mind, rigor simply means claims that have solid backing and I don’t think MM’s claims always have that solid backing – I say this impressionistically from when I’ve read his articles. I don’t know what “academic rigor” means exactly because so much stuff from academia doesn’t show claims with solid backup. “Academic rigor” almost seems like an oxymoron.
Academic, Gloria Moss, who’s done wonderful stuff on the Great Fire of London and who speaks of “legacy academia” has co-founded a new website, “www.truthuniversity.co.uk”.
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Kieran’s blog is back online again, apparently it was about some glitch in the WP matrix. Like you said, the incident remains strange to explain, giving some extra content to what he wrote about recently.
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I’m just going to insert this here: last week I was watching one of my cats drinking water and remembered something Miles said about cats not needing a lot of water (I’ve heard otherwise) and that humans need more water (I think; it’s been awhile since I read the piece which was written awhile ago as well) but Miles speculates about which planet we humans came from and his conclusion is Saturn. Anyone else read this piece and any thoughts? To me this is weird wild stuff.
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I consider it a good sci-fi story, and it fits that description perfectly. It’s speculation based on some valid scientific arguments. Anyway, here’s a quote from that piece:
“Where did we come from? I am still just speculating, but the best guess is Saturn. I know, I know, but hear me out. It is just a theory, but I try to publish everything I think of, no matter how speculative. If I am wrong, I am wrong, so what.”
In his own words, it’s just a speculative theory.
It’s as much speculation where do humans come from as for the cats, for instance. Or about any other of thousands of different species. Considering rare archaeological findings of ancient living organisms, and none of the cross-bred species that would confirm darwin theory of evolution, one has to wonder where do all living creatures come from in the first place. They even describe it as cambrian explosion of life, when all of the sudden Gaia was radiating with complex life forms. If Darwinian theory is bunk, then something else must have caused it. I have absolutely no clue, nor any hypothesis about it, or the appearance of humans for that matter, but it fuels my imagination to think about some alien-source seeding habitable planets with life. The Gardeners of Galaxy, so to speak 🙂
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But then you are still left with the turtle problem … you know this old canard, a woman at a scientific meeting gets up angrily and says to the elite scientific panel that the Earth is balanced on a turtle in space. She is asked what the turtle is resting on, and she says another turtle. She is asked what that turtle rests on, and she loses her temper and yells “It’s turtles all the way down!”.
So if we come from Saturn, what begot the Saturn aliens? And so on. The Catholic Church solved this problem with God by declaring He is, always has been, and always will be. So there.
I am convinced that Darwin, while a man of his time, left us with a theory that does not hold water.
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Well, that’s another interesting discussion allowing for more speculation. What if the Universe actually has no beginning as we interpret it? In our materialistic ideology/paradigm, we tend to believe everything has some starting point, it has to begin in one way or another we’re told. It may be that the Universe didn’t follow such principle. I’m sure God had nothing to do with it, though, since nobody can make things appear out of nothing. Even if the Universe did come to existence at one point in the past and later developed into its concurrent version we’re living in, it most likely took unimaginable amount of time (as defined per our Gaia’s rotation around a toddler Sun – in terms of size and age). Life as such might have appeared and evolved on its own anywhere, given a) we now practically nothing about the inception of life and b) it requires resources and time both abundant in terms of size and age of the Universe. To put all above into a perspective, comparing Gaia’s age of roughly 4 billion years, it may be she appeared only “yesterday” so to speak, while we may speculate that the Universe goes back trillions of years. Given the number of stars and galaxies, it would be an awful waste of space to consider we’re the only habitable planet, rife with life. So we come to the question of alien life form, ALF and humans – if we/Gaia were seeded, then who seeded them? I don’t know really, but it may be that Gaia would have developed its own species given enough time and this also applies to all alien homeworlds. So to finish off this speculation – we could assume that ancient, most primal aliens did evolve on their own in the course of time, but were extremely bored so they started gardening / seeding other worlds to allow for entertainment ? It’s a stretch, I know, but an amusing one for me at least.
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Today MM posted an update on an earlier post about Christopher Columbus. Under the heading he writes “two months later the mainstream admits I am right about everything while pretending I don’t exist. Are you seeing a pattern?”
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Kieran, Minime – I think it’s a false choice, and false premise.. I can see value in what MM does, as well as in Kieran’s approach. MM doesn’t need to try to be something he’s not, nor does Kieran. People seeking “truth” are free to read either, both, or neither according to their own lights.. and any of those scenarios could arrive at the greatest “truth value,” potentially.
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I learn, perspective has a opportunity to expand, when I’m exposed to various thoughtful points of viewing from others. On that note, I’m particular about the level/type of intellect/channel I chose to swim in.
I appreciate the showing up of participants in this discussion; revealing their considerations/who they are.
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What can I say, why are we talking about this guy? He’s a self declared lover of painting children (p-phile), megalomaniac, pseudo-scientist (I know, I don’t have my own blog so I’m not qualified). If anyone is an agent or committee, its this entity. And a complete jerk.
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I finally understand the change in your demeanour and why anything of mathisian content is jerking your knee lately – you’re definitely one of those academia people, spinelessly enduring whatever is being pushed down your throat in exchange for a reasonably symbolic pay check. I’m willing to bet my 2 cents that’s the biggest issue you’re having with him as of late.
On a side note, making your own blog and populating it with some interesting content might help you vent all that accumulated frustration. It’s rather detrimental for your health to keep holding it inside…
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another miles mathis circle jerk, i’ll pass on commenting
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I called out a few things back on CTTF and Miles gave a short reply of “here’s the rub folks it’s about putting two and two together and narrowing it down.” He claims poverty and little money he makes repairing bicycles and old books, yet from a wealthy family and brags about all the traveling he’s done.
He comes across as a I know something that you don’t know type of dude while trying to remain faintly aloof to his readers. His articles do pull me in with a touch of verifiable truth mixed in with a maybe or maybe not vibe. He’s been wrong on a few issues but correct on others. Mark you said in the past he’s a limited hangout, but he’s the best we’ve got. I agree.
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I agree Greg. I too wonder about where he gets the money to buy bikes he says cheaply from eBay then resells the finished product. I wanted to suggest to him to dumpster dive or just look around the streets because there are so many good and great items left for free. Also, PBS had a short series highlighting handmade items in the UK, France and Italy and restoring old books was one topic. The process did not look quick or easy. Where did he acquire this skill? YouTube maybe? He says he sleeps ALOT as part of his healthy living. In his world there must be more than 24 hours in a day and the sun never sets.
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waiting for my second comment to appear. One appeared instantly.
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Ron UNZ has weighed in.
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-michael-collins-piper-miles-mathis-and-proving-pi-4/
and bruce charlton
https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2024/10/more-on-miles-mathis.html
odd timing.
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Don’t know MM, much about him, nor do have the time to research and analyze the data. Maybe I ought to change my blog nom de plum.
Don’t pretend to know much of anything. Do know what is true for me, as a supposition/conclusion I come to when a thread of a claim or reveal can be directly relatable to a previous personal experiential revelation.
Everything else I question, file away in my ‘to be discovered’ cabinet, as this ‘matrix’ reality is, to my experience, based in full on deception and I’m so painfully aware of how full-on duped I’ve been.
A little segue… Forgiving myself of programmed ignorance is one of the most difficult things I’ve had to do. But I cannot forgive others of the same if I don’t do it for myself. Forgiveness of (mind control programmed) ignorance is an integral part of the deprogramming, as I see it. Don’t know I’ll ever be really free of the SOP of this place.. unless I step outside of it.
As what I contribute to this discussion comes from relating personal experience (after all reality is according to how each of us experiences/processes it and reality is therefore, unique to each) I accept/expect that reality (what is considered true or not), is different for each.
I might offer what I see/experience but don’t debate as no one else’s will – determines my reality – nor does my will determine theirs.
Finally – the two points of consideration I offer on the discernment of theories, controlled op, credibility of reveals:
RU speaks about things he has NO DIRECT EXPERIENCE OF – as if how he sees reality (as THE purveyor of truth), his opinion, is the only one that matters – is the basis of all truth.
In an attempt to support the overblown estimation of self, he offhand and with great finality, demeans, dismisses, any/everyone who doesn’t see as he does assigning tidy little labels on them such as; insane, gullible, undeserving of any credence, an operative.
for example:
“..the utterly bizarre and illogical belief that Michelle Obama—mother of two daughters—was actually a man, a vastly more “exciting” theory that attracted the enthusiastic belief of many such gullible individuals.”
again:
operatives would naturally seek a means of diverting their antagonists into less fruitful directions.
(Operatives divert/deflect by repetitively referring to operatives diverting/deflecting as if they know – because in this case they do.)
further:
“The Fake World of Miles Mathis” and..
RE: the lack of a Wikipedia entry/bio on MM:
“..Mathis does not, perhaps because he’s regarded as too insignificant or his actual existence is insufficiently documented..”
There is just so much, too much. The wallowing in intellectual self-aggrandizement, extreme superiority complex, screams – I AM THAT WHICH I CALL OUT OTHERS AS. Just way, way, too much.
Know nothing about MM – simply by reading RU’s dismissive smear makes me more interested in MM, what he has to say.
After RU … Bruce Charlton was a blessed relief:
“I will stick my neck out concerning something of which I have no direct knowledge; and suggest that Mathis is not an agency but a real person, and a single person, and is pursuing his own agenda.”
Displaying humility within the truth of having no direct knowledge makes BC more credible in his perceptional discourse.
I read a mentioning that MM states he comes from a wealthy family, has traveled a lot, and yet experiences financial lack… or something to that manner.
I would say, from what I’ve witnessed, wealthy cultist do not bestow wealth upon errant children (only upon the controllable). Further, the head of the family will, if they can, actively attempt to cut the child off from outside avenues of financial independence as well.
That offspring of controlled families have been, are, severely damaged, compromised, tormented at deep spiritual soul, personality levels. Which accounts for a somewhat ‘choppy’ presentation of information/thoughts — if such a person has a desire to shed light on the deeper levels of control of this produced reality. And, that that they often find some comfort, albeit temporary, in roaming the earth.
But really, I don’t KNOW MM.
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“I read a mentioning that MM states he comes from a wealthy family, has traveled a lot, and yet experiences financial lack… or something to that manner.”
This is a mischaracterization of what he wrote, imo. You would be best advised to read what he wrote for yourself, and not rely on the slightly skewed versions given second hand. Not easy, bc his biographical notes are scattered through all the papers. But you could read his “about” page for the gist of it.
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Miles has done alot of traveling and lived in places that lower middle class person would not be able to afford and stated his mother’s profession, so based on that his family is upper class. I’m not dissing Miles, we all share an interest in his writings. To me it doesn’t matter if he’s a lone wolf or apart of a commitee, which many of his audience assumes he is anyways. His latest Unz article he mentions the commitee allegations aren’t true. Why get touchy about Unz’s opinions who as Miles said is a billionare phoenician, many articles on Unz website are anti jewish which I always thought was odd yet he isn’t really Jewish, per John 8:44 Unz was a vaccine supporter and promotes the Ukraine war as real, most of the interesting reads on his website are not the articles but in the comment sections, same with Zerohedge and even on here at POM.
Are Miles and Unz collaborating to increase their views. Many of these popular online alt media people are in with each other to control narratives which Miles admits they do that in his latest Unz article.
2500 bucks a month not too shabby selling ebay bikes and old books without having a real job or trade, he mentioned he doesn’t sell many paintings. He would be more believable if he said he was a self employed plumber or handyman doing odd jobs. Or even pull a Costanza and say he is an importer/exporter. Hey regardless of his true background and identity it’s his business, I like many of the articles and will continue to read them.
It’s not like he’s going to come out and say “okay folks you got me i’m in a commitee of experts, they just wanted a front person to take the heat”.
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Fair enough that’s your view. I don’t know either way, but subjectively I find it plausible that some simple fixes to bikes would greatly increase their value.. a bike can go from basically unsaleable to worth hundreds of dollars, because many people want to buy something off the shelf so to speak.. likewise with books, not everyone wants to or has skill for restoring them. I have a similar subjective difference with your other points, but whatever. Can you remind me what his mother did? Something in law or politics wasn’t it?
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The quotes on his travels and mom’s occupation are in a few of his articles.You could email him he may tell you. What’s the monthy rent in his Cali town…utilities, property taxes etc. That’s a ton of bikes and books he needs to sell per month, every month, all year long. I think he mentioned he sells an occasional painting. Maybe he’s on the dole(food stamps, snap benefits, food pantry) or does have a part time job he doesn’t want to admit to. We all know intellegent people with degrees that are waiting tables, bartending or working retail, there is no shame in that, not everyone gets a good paying job all at once or even wants one. He should have just said he was a part time handyman or mechanic on the side for cash jobs, plus the bike/book repairs and be more believable. We don’t know either way, how can we…maybe it doesn’t matter who he is, what he does to pay the bills or if it’s multiple people in a commitee. I will continue to read his articles and agree with much of it.
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2) – the second point – got lost in the thread
sometimes that happens
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Re the evolution discussion above –
If you haven’t come across the chimp-pig hybrid theory, it’s worth checking out – http://www.macroevolution.net
Sounds fantastic at a glance, but the geneticist promoting it has marshalled quite a bit of compelling evidence. If nothing else, you will likely learn a lot of little known information about biology, species mating and genetics. His website is well organized with maybe his entire book presented, or much of it anyway.
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cross breeding (and back breeding) is the answer. Although that doesn’t explain your first turtle. But I’m not sure anything does.
I had written this in reply to Marks turtle comment. Then noticed your last comment.
Macroevolution is a must read for any intelligent person. And any unintelligent person should not go near it.
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I first heard about it on a long thread at this history revisionism forum.. now even the forum name escapes me! Cool site though.. A commenter here linked to it, “you can call me Al”.. AL with an L. Amazing thread/ “conspiracy theory”, linking all these disparate ideas, all interesting in themselves.. killer clowns, Wind in the Willows, macroevolution, hidden archaeology of the UK, and clues from its architecture, etc. All were fully explicated and connections drawn between them.
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Would you please provide a link to the forum you’ve mentioned in your comment? Thx.
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Okay I managed to dig it up.. this is the thread I mentioned, and forum –
https://stolenhistory.net/threads/evidence-humans-were-created-and-traded-as-slaves-food-entertainment-and-material-resources-ihasfemr.5379/
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And here we are, once again, racking our little brains over the validity and authenticity of Mr. Miles Mathis. Apologies for joining discussion almost two months late. However, it seems Mathis has critics that, for whatever reason, are intent on questioning his voluminous research. I have stated here in the past that Mathis is not what he wants us to believe he is. And while his work does present rather compelling evidence of fakery or, if nothing else, a concerted effort by nefarious individuals or groups to deceive the public at large, using all the mass deception weapons of television, media, journalism, radio, and publishing, his research still falls short of the mark.
Mark, there is simply no reason to apologize for that story you ran years ago exposing some very obvious incongruities with the claims Mathis has made over the years. Unlike you, I do not find his work compelling, or meaningful, or important. Mathis has the greatest convenience in the world writing his own facts without burden of proof, other than what he sources from Wikipedia (a well-known disinformation weapon), photographs he finds on the web, or so-called “super-computers” like Intelius and Findagrave.
Ronald Unz’s article and Mathis’ rebuttal are quite comical, really. In his response, Mathis resorts once again to his Phoenician Navy stronghold, claiming Unz is an agent acting on behalf of this ancient group of mythic mariners who control the world—and have controlled—for the better part of 6000 years. That is, at least, Mathis’ latest figure, but still falls well short of the figure I stated here months ago: More like 12,000 years ago, or the point at which we find traces and artifacts of ancient symbolism which is still here among us today, and actually is printed on that dollar bill in your pocket. Yes, indeed, the Great Miles Mathis conveniently proves that the hidden hand is a secret signal from a mythic cabal of magical mariners roaming the seas and running the world for just 6000 years. And what proof does he proffer to support such grand speculations? A vast and preposterous encyclopedia of spurious genealogical research that he has tailored to suit his own unethical and non-peer-reviewed research. What a wonderful position Mathis holds in the world of research. Able to drop every little bit and bob of personal research to the world without cross examination. To those who object, criticize or question his methods or conclusion–well, he has a simple answer for that as well. They are nefarious agents who work in the sub-basements of Langley and their sole purpose–in fact the entire agency’s purpose–is to suppress his groundbreaking and earth-shattering revelations which will, unopposed, change the entire course of human history and, beyond that, the destiny of the human race forever.
A first-year psychology student at community college could diagnose text-book megalomania and delusions of grandeur at first glance. But upon deeper inspection might conclude what I have known for many years. Miles Mathis is the largest and most nefarious psy-op the world has ever known.
Mathis would have me believe that the writings of Shakespeare were perpetrated by a secret cabal deeply hidden in the House of Stanley, yet in the same breath defends his patently absurd output of 100+ volumes of research in a mere matter of 10 years? Mathis would have me, a man deeply read in the classics, medieval literature, Renaissance history, literature, and poetry, a man who has read everything from Chaucer and Boethius to Dickens, Scott, and Thackeray, that one man, one man alone, could have produced the amount of writing that Mathis claims his own. Not to mention he has himself claimed that the writings of Thackeray, Dickens, and Scott were all written by a sub-committee of British intelligence agents working deep cover during the whole of the Nineteenth Century. And his explanation for this: A single man could simply not produce 40 volumes of 1000-page novels over the course of a single lifetime! Hah! Talk about irony!
For Mathis, his villains are shape-shifters over the years. First it was warmongers at the Pentagon and inside the Military Industrial Complex; then it was the Diaspora; then again, it was the Antient Lords and Nobles of the English Peerage; then again, it was the Intelligence Agencies, DHS, the CIA; but now currently, it is the pernicious Phoenician Navy from the Ancient Land of Phoenicia, who bear the mighty coat of arms emblazoned with the double-headed Phoenix. Every great storyteller throughout history has told the same story, only the heroes and heroines have changed names, the villains and enemies as well. Mathis has been telling me the same story, he being the heroic aggrandizement of his own bizarre and twisted Narcissism and megalomaniacal self-obsession, and the enemy being a dastardly group of evil mariners, gilded over with vast amounts of wealth and splendor. Mathis points his finger in a lot of convenient directions, but never in the correct one: The Antient and Accepted Rite of Freemasonry. The true seal of the Phoenix. I’ll let Miles himself proffer preposterous origins of that symbol to his gullible and uneducated readers. But never shall such absurd lies pass the threshold of my life’s study and work. No, sir, Sir Mathis, there is one man on this planet who chuckles quite heartily at the preposterous stupidities you serve the ignorant. And while many of your sycophants have levelled every ad hominem available to their forked tongues against me, nary a one has so much as put a dent in my iron-clad ego.
Knowledge truly is power. But not the knowledge of a single man. For all his titanic, self-professed erudition, Miles simply cannot find the origin of the hidden hand, or the Phoenix. And yet the origin is so simple once one discovers the owners of those symbols, and the very root of all their symbolism. In fact, the symbolism is everywhere, for every eye to see. Every crank and crackpot will tell you they are pedophiles, human traffickers, Luciferians, rapists, etc. But that is merely the misguided misunderstandings of commoners. See, the Freemasons are nothing more than builders. And they have built everything. Yes, everything. From the First Temple of Solomon (one of the highest priests of the Order), to the Great Pyramids, the aqueducts of Rome, the magnificent cathedrals and palaces scattered across Europe, and to the very Capitol of this nation—the Freemasons have built. They build, they build, they build, they build. And, occasionally, they convince you that they built a vehicle that could land on the moon. And while their own exoteric historians trace the Order’s origin to the masonry guilds of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth centuries, that is merely generous obfuscation. But the esoteric historians of the Order, men whose histories lay deeply hidden amongst dusty tomes, trace the origin to a more distant epoch of human history, so dark and distant only the secret libraries of the Order, reserved only for highest order of initiates, possess their ancient secrets. And secrecy, after all, is their greatest single weapon. And it is the very same impenetrable veil of secrecy behind which the Order has operated since the dawn of human history.
So how is it the greatest Renaissance man of the Twenty-first Century has failed to trace anything back to the Order? How is it that Miles Mathis, throughout his myriad journeys through the English Peerage, name after name, eminent person after eminent person, famous family after famous family, missed the gold ring? Has failed time and again with each paper on each historical figure to attribute the single greatest connection amongst all of them? Perhaps Mathis, like all of us, simply cannot penetrate that final veil of secrecy. Yes, perhaps, Mathis has hit the same wall we the uninitiated will hit today, tomorrow, and forevermore.
But let me talk more specifically why I find the Mile Mathis entity to be too fabulous and fantastic for my mortal senses. Firstly, his output. And while he claims all the greatest writers throughout history were committees, Shakespeare and James Joyce among them, based solely on their prodigality, yet he claims it’s perfectly possible that his production is possible by a single man. Well, the researchers over CF have done the math, and it simply doesn’t add up.
Secondly, Mathis’ arrival on the conspiracy scene is odd. He missed an entire decade of speculation and research on 9/11 before CF finally figured it out. And once their research bore great fruit, here comes Miles Mathis, not only not claiming any theory himself, but also taking aim at the research performed exhaustively by the researchers at CF. His work on the Boston Bombing was abysmal, if not downright misleading. Not only Dave McGowan cracked that nut, but CF had stripped it down to its bare-naked fraudulence. Mathis has a paper on Sandyhook, but clearly did not beat the boys at CF on that scoop. Miles, in fact, seemed to reiterate all the most stirring points uncovered almost less than 24 hours after the event by CF. And so now appears Miles Mathis, writing paper after paper on genealogy after genealogy, leading readers into the weeds of the Anglo-Saxon Peerage of the Realm—a document, by his own example, he knows absolutely nothing about. I find it no coincidence that Mathis appeared on the scene after CF had started to provide deeply incriminating visual evidence that 9/11, Sandyhook, and the Boston Bombing were all patently false. Not only that, but the mainstream US media was its driving force. Very coincidental. In fact, too coincidental to be coincidence. Never mind that only a few years ago CF, in a very vigorous thread, thanks in part to Miles’ agitators, Josh Guetzkow, Vexman, Jerrod Magnusson, et. al, outed Mathis as a nefarious and sophisticated psy-op. And I quote directly from that forum thread: “It’s a nasty high level disinformation outlet that gives away some low hanging fruit while simultaneously obscuring legitimate research and running cover for the bigger lies like 9/11.” How coincidental that Miles Mathis appears out of nowhere in the early part of the last decade to start covering honest research with billows and billows of smoke? Just like the demolition of the Trade Center, covered over in vast billowing clouds of man-made smoke.
Thirdly, the strange and inexplicable dissolution of CTTF. Miles has neither addressed his reasons for closing that blog, nor explained his bizarre divorce from his most adamant and relentless sycophant and defender Josh Guetzkow, who has since completely and utterly vanished from the scene, even after making an appearance on the House floor to discuss vaccines. Apparently, a dear friend of Professor Guetzkow died during the attacks of October 7th, but this doesn’t agree with Mathis’ premise that the whole attack was staged and fake. Miles ridiculously sloughed it off as Josh being compromised, or some such nonsense, but no adequate explanation has, or ever will be, given. Not to mention his other menacing committee of cohorts, Jared Magnusson and Vexman, have completely vanished from the scene as well.
And finally, the Anglicisms and Britishisms. And while this may seem the least innocuous, for me it indicates Miles Mathis is not the only author of his voluminous works. His opus is riddled with Anglicisms throughout. Take this for what it is, but too important to overlook, and deeply troubling at best.
I guess it would be one thing if Miles Mathis came along a few years after 9/11 and started his whole Peerage / Phoenician Navy / Intelligence Agencies / Hollywood / Jews / Media schtick. But is another thing entirely that he showed up more than a decade later, when serious researcher like CF had basically stripped 9/11 to the bare-naked media fraudulence that it was. And then further slaughtered the culprits and perpetrators of Sandyhook, the Moon Landing, Boston Massacre, and all the other myriad minor deceptions the media tries to perpetrate against a gullible and idiotic public. So here come the great, the brilliant iconoclastic Miles Mathis, telling us of the Peerage of the Realm, pulling us into the weeds of Anglo-Saxon etymology by way of his spurious and idiotic, albeit amateurish, attempts at genealogical research. Not just the current fakery of media, i.e. Moon Landing, 9/11, Sandyhook, Boston Massacre, etc., but look here eager minds, now awaking from your slumbers! Look here at the Peerage. Look back into the gloom of ancient history to find a mythical race of mariners, who have sailed the Seven Seas for 6000 years, only to consolidate the world’s resources and keep you perpetually in darkness. Never mind the vast strides of human enlightenment and knowledge since the Renaissance. Never mind all the technological advances of the Twentieth Century. That was all a ruse by the Phoenician Navy. It’s all fake. Forget the media’s bloody hand in the 9/11 made-for-tv movie. No, look here. Look at the Anglo-Saxon peerage. Turn your eyes to the House of Stanley. Look even further into the misty seas of the past, where shines a gleaming little seaside country in the Levant. Look there, fools. Don’t look at what happened on 9/11. Ignore those clowns over at CF. Look at me! Read my two-million words of brain-numbing and mind-boggling redundancy. Oh, and by the way, good luck disproving me. The amount of time and study required to disprove even a single paragraph of my outlandish claims would take nearly half a lifetime. So just accept it as truth because I showed you a few choice sentences at—of all sources—Wikipedia! Lol! I can only laugh at the stupidity of the ignorant.
Frankly, it’s all quite obvious to me now. Miles Mathis has blown, over legitimate research, a smoke cloud 100 times the size as that over Southern Manhattan on that grim day. In fact, I can think of no greater symbol of Miles Mathis than that giant smoke cloud over Southern Manhattan on that ominous and terrible day. The day the Freemasons demolished the pillars of Joachin and Boaz and sent a tsunami of fear and trembling over the entire planet—their planet, I might add.
TELL US, MASTER MILES MATHIS! COME HERE TO POM AND TELL US ALL HERE IN THIS THREAD WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF THE DOUBLE-HEADED PHOENIX, TELL US WHAT THE ORIGIN OF THE HIDDEN HAND IS, TELL US WHAT THE ORIGIN OF THE ALL-SEEING EYE IS, TELL US WHAT THE POINT WITHIN A CIRCLE MEANS! AHAHAHAHAHA!
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Just because that ancient middle eastern blogger with the name of John said in 1:1-18 (MM’s Dead Man’s Hand, perhaps) ‘and the word was God’, doesn’t mean we have to believe everything we read on blog sites.
Even Napoleon, who coincidently shares his name with the Aristocratic Florentine family known as the House of Bonaparte, is quoted as saying: history is a set of lies that people have agreed upon.
The famous Freemason Manly P Hall wrote that the American Masonic founders were acting on behalf a secret group in Europe which wanted the country established for a Peculiar and Particular purpose.
There are numerous researchers on the Net who suggest the double headed eagle goes back to Nimrod – the Babylonian King and Sun God who built the Tower of Babel, and represents the dialectic which was/is so favoured by Nimrod, and his disciples.
Former Prime Minister of the UK and (according to some) a familial owner of Bank Of England shares the Knight Of The Garter Winston Churchill, is on record as saying: our understanding of history isn’t complete or objective but tends to privilege the version of events of those in power.
And we all want the truth that, it seems, hasn’t even been written.
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I may have not said it this way before, but I believe Miles was setup as the one stop shop for “truthers”. Sadly enough there is really no other place for this other than InfoWars (see recent article on Alex Jones??) He can tell you all the art and popular culture from the 20th-21st century was a psyop, or historical events, or all war is fake (no one died in World War 2!?) or big picture, he’s got it all covered! And was setup that way. He loves “Friends” and Seinfeld for example. And Donald Trump. I think everyone gets the message.
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Mr Mason II makes some great points. One of the more “bizarre” consequences of Miles research was I figured out, unknown to everyone else in my family, that my “Wests” were directly related to the De La Warrs, founders of Delaware, first governors of Virginia – see John West and Francis West. Anyhow this was news to me, and everyone else in my family! As interesting as this was, sadly it gave me no free ticket for to be involved in a psyop and cash in!! Because if you are “peerage” you automatically get compensation. Maybe Miles and his crew can help me out in how to cash in on my peerage name!
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