How to lie, effectively

Below is a rather long excerpt from the book Dancing Naked in the Mind Field, published in 2000 and written by the late Kary Mullis. He won a Nobel Prize for his work on what became known as the polymer chain reaction process, or “PCR”. I intended yesterday as I wrote about world population to start with this, but quickly realized I was trying to ride a horse in two directions at once. Only politicians can pull that off. 

I will comment after:

              Four years later “… I was working as a consultant at Specialty Labs in Santa Monica. Specialty was trying to develop a means of using PCR to detect retroviruses in the thousands of blood donations received per day by the Red Cross. I was writing a report on our progress for the project sponsor, and I began by stating, “HIV is the probable cause of AIDS.

I asked a virologist at Specialty where I could find the reference for HIV being the cause of AIDS.

“You don’t need a reference,” he told me. “Everybody knows it.”

“I’d like to quote a reference.” I felt a little funny about not knowing the source of such an important discovery. Everyone else seemed to.

“Why don’t you just cite the CDC report?” he suggested, giving me a copy of the Centers for Disease Control’s periodic report on morbidity and mortality. I read it. It wasn’t a scientific article. It simply said that an organism had been identified – it did not say how. It requested that doctors report any patients showing certain symptoms and test them for antibodies to this organism. The report did not identify the original scientific work, but that didn’t surprise me. It was intended for physicians, who didn’t need to know the source of the information. Physicians assume that if the CDC was convinced, there must exist real proof somewhere that HIV was the cause of AIDS.

A proper scientific reference usually a published article in a reliable scientific magazine. These days the magazines are slick glossy paper with pictures on the front and lots of advertisements, a lot of editorial material by people who are professional journalists, and a few pictures of girls selling you things you might want to buy for your lab. The advertisers are the companies who make the things for scientists to buy and the companies who make the drugs for doctors to sell. There are no major journals without advertisements. Therefore there are no major journals without corporate connections.

Scientists submit the articles in order to report their work. Preparing articles describing their work and having them published is crucial to a scientist’s career. Without articles in major journals they will lose their rank. The articles may not be submitted until experiments supported the conclusions drawn are finished and analyzed. In primary journals, every single experimental detail has to be there either directly or by reference, so that somebody else could repeat exactly what was done and find out whether he comes out the same way in their hands. If it doesn’t somebody will report that in the conflict eventually has to be resolved so that when we go on from here, we will know where “here” is. Most reliable primary journals are refereed. After you send your article, the editor sent copies of it to several of your colleagues for review. They become the referees. The editors are paid for their work on the journal, the referees are not. But what they do gives them power, which most of them like.

I did computer searches. Neither (French virologist Luc] Montagnier, [Robert] Gallo, or anyone else had published papers describing experiments which led to the conclusion that HIV probably causes AIDS. I read the papers in Science for which they had become well known as the AIDS doctors, but all they had done was that they had found evidence of a past infection by something which was probably HIV in some AIDS patients. They found antibodies. Antibodies to viruses had always been considered evidence of past disease, not present disease. Antibodies signaled that the virus had been defeated. Patient had saved himself. There was no indication in these papers that this virus caused the disease. They didn’t show that everybody with the antibodies had the disease. In fact they found some healthy people with antibodies.

If Montagnier and Gallo hadn’t really found this evidence, why was their work published, and why had they been fighting so hard to get credit for the discovery? There had been an international incident wherein Robert Gallo of the NIH had claimed that a sample of HIV which had been sent to him by Luc Montagnier of the Pasteur Institute in Paris had not grown and Gallo’s lab. Other samples collected by Gallo and his collaborators, from potential AIDS patients, had grown. Gallo had patented the AIDS test based on these samples, and the Pasteur Institute had sued. Pasteur eventually won, but back in 1989 it was a standoff and they were sharing the profits.

I was hesitant to write “HIV is the probable cause of AIDS” until I found published evidence that would support it. Mine was the most minimal statement possible. My grant request I wasn’t trying to say that it absolutely did cause AIDS, I was just trying to say it was likely to cause it for some known reasons. Tens of thousands of scientists and researchers were spending millions of dollars a year doing research based on this idea. The reason had to be there somewhere, otherwise these people would not have allowed the research to settle into one narrow channel investigation.

I lectured about PCR at innumerable meetings. Always there were people there talking about HIV. I asked them how it was that we knew that HIV was the cause of AIDS. Everyone said something. Everyone had the answer at home in the office or in some drawer. They all knew and would send some of the papers as soon as they got back. But I never got any papers. Nobody ever sent me news about how AIDS was caused by HIV.

I finally had the opportunity to ask Dr. Montagnier about the reference when he lectured in San Diego in a grand opening of the UCSD AIDS Research Center, which is still run by Bob Gallo’s former consort, Dr. Flossie Wong-Staal. This would be the last time I would ask my question without showing anger. In response Dr. Montagnier suggested, “Why don’t you reference the CDC report?”

“I read it,” I said, “that doesn’t really address the issue of whether or not HIV is the probable cause of AIDS, does it?”

He agreed with me it was damned irritating. If Montagnier did not know the answer, who the hell did?

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An important passage above, among so many, is as follows:

If Montagnier and Gallo hadn’t really found this evidence, why was their work published, and why had they been fighting so hard to get credit for the discovery? There had been an international incident wherein Robert Gallo of the NIH had claimed that a sample of HIV which had been sent to him by Luc Montagnier of the Pasteur Institute in Paris had not grown and Gallo’s lab. Other samples collected by Gallo and his collaborators, from potential AIDS patients, had grown. Gallo had patented the AIDS test based on these samples, and the Pasteur Institute had sued. Pasteur eventually won, but back in 1989 it was a standoff and they were sharing the profits.

(Page 117 et seq)

What I am seeing here is a primer in propaganda, known as “how to lie.” I can safely assert there was no lawsuit, and no victory of the Pasteur Institute. It was all misdirection, and Montagnier and Gallo were, apparently, willing participants. It falls under the heading “If they ask the wrong question, the answer will not matter.” Everyone was deflected from asking if there was an AIDS virus, or had it been isolated, and where was the scientific evidence? Instead, they were drawn to a fake lawsuit.

As I often say, governments don’t lie. They misdirect. It works so much better than lying!

9 thoughts on “How to lie, effectively

  1. Poor Cary Mullis, the last American scientific hero. Everything in the quote above by Mark is true as far as I know, concerning the publishing business, and how things get momentum in the scientific literature.

    AIDS is a particularly pernicious example, and shows how public hysteria over a “mystery” disease can be hijacked to cause a massive shift in public opinion and habits.

    I have a very clear memory of being in health class, 1981 or 1982, 6th or 7th grade, when our teacher walked in and announced out of the blue there was a new killer sexual disease that had been discovered, and we needed to watch out because it was spread by sexual contact, and the if you were infected it meant certain death. Complete bullshit, of course.

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    1. AIDS was a homosexual thing, mostly poppers and antibiotics. It’s also sometimes a result of hemophilia and malnutrition. They wanted something to divide the sexes, however, so they first invented the virus, and then they had it jump the sexes. But they needed dead people too, so they used AZT to treat the “infected” people and kill them. The whole thing was so fucking ugly.

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      1. Nowadays, healthy people “at risk” are treated, supposed to prevent “infection”. Ofc it’s “free”. I remember when this was rolled out here in Europe, some decade ago. There was a huge campaign on the blue dating website in Europe, so every msm man knows. The pills are called PrEP. Side effects include headaches, affected bone structure, and the kidneys.PS, fun fact, the same actor who was the A13 hero in cinema, faded away with AIDS on screen, Philadelphia.

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  2. I’ve seen the science faithful dispute this story from Mullis, I’m pretty sure. Anyway I’d be surprised if you go out among them, on sites with knowledgeable commenters, if they can’t load you down with papers that “prove” the HIV virus causes AIDS. Chatgpt might be able to pull up the most cited or reputable foundational papers. They don’t typically operate the way he describes here, from what I’ve seen – they have “proof” they can point you to, it just turns out to be impenetrable to 99% of laypeople. You have to learn all about virology, DNA, and related fields just to read it, and then be able to pick apart their claims or see if it adds up. Standing on the shoulders of people who have done this, reading their laypeople translations, you can see that it probably doesn’t.

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    1. That’s pretty easy to falsify on one basis alone, something they admit (they tend to be cloistered, as they need the affirmation of groupthink): They do not do control experiments in their “isolation” of viruses. That violates the scientific method, end of story. Of course they’re going to fall back, and start lobbing papers supposedly proving that HIV causes AIDS, but since they’ve never pulled an HIV from an AIDS patient, their only defense is knowing that most of us will never read the proof papers. As a profession, it is bankrupt, pseudoscience at best, science fraud more likely, and since the days of Enders, who admitted after getting his Nobel that he had not done control alongside the regular experiment.

      [PS: Why do I smell corruption behind the Enders Nobel?]

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      1. I agree they probably have some weak evidence, like the antibodies Mullis mentions – something indirect like that. I just mean they have to, at least by now, have some papers they can hang their hat on, that most people would accept as proof.

        In one of Daniels episodes on Lyme disease, she gives a lengthy breakdown of the weakness of antibodies as a diagnostic test. It’s on SoundCloud if anyone wants to hear it, search “Lyme healing with Dr Daniels”

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        1. My gut feeling is these antibodies that light up when you are “sick” are just responding to housekeeping proteins that are highly expressed when one is “ill”. I believe this in part because one time in 2022 when I felt lousy, my wife made me take a quicky COVID test that came up positive. At work the next week i was “borderline”. They made us take COVID tests for 3 years (PCR based) and that was the only one i was “borderline”. A PCR test would pick up mRNAs that are being highly expressed.

          I believe the viruses they use for gene therapy, of which i know they can make and purify, may be human made engineered constructs. In other words, there is not sufficient proof for wild-type harmful infectious viruses – meaning something that “transforms” a cell. Partly due to my personal experience of almost never getting sick, while never taking any precautions. I have experimented on myself since 2022 intentionally exposing myself to sick people, being pretty lax about hygiene, especially in places like Thailand where I visit a month a year. Result: Nothing, no sickness.

          I don’t know any labs, or scientists who have ever made so called wild type viruses. A wild type virus is most likely garbage – cellular garbage of dead cells, with a lot of DNA hanging around. Don’t forget HIV is “constantly mutating”, making it something not real, a moving target, that can turn into whatever you define it to be.

          And these engineered viruses suck, so to speak. They express at very low levels, require massive injections to deliver their gene. and are highly heterogeneous. In other words to be infected by an engineered virus, which is optimized for infectivity, you need a needle and large volume of purified material, which will transform a very small number of cells, and only to express a single gene.

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          1. I don’t know what to make of that. I’ve not for a second believed that SARS-CoV-2 was an “escaped” virus that got out of a Wuhan lab. That’s classic misdirection, look here not there, and by all means don’t ask the right question: Is there a virus, really?

            So the idea that we can manufacture viruses when, as I see it, real ones don’t even exist, is a stretch beyond where my unschooled brain can go.

            I will only say that Bechamps thought there were microzymas, and I thought such matter might be building blocks.

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        2. TIMR – you might be amazed, along with me, at the shoddiness of the science we are dealing with, and the “go-along to keep getting paid” culture that exists underneath it all. It’s a racket.

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