Intractable Problems

As anyone who tours the Montana blogs knows, I spend most of my wasteable time at right wing places, engaging in debate with the likes of “Max Bucks”, Craig Moore, Dad, “Jerry Chung”, aka “Rook”, “Knight”, and “Checker”. There’s also Rob Natelson and Steve somebody-or-other (“Rabid Sanity”), Carole (Missoulapolis), Shackleford (MtPundit), Gregg Smith, and the late-great Craig Sprout of mt.politics.net. And Budge. Big Swede and rightsaidfred are always interesting. And there are others I am missing but do not intend to slight. It seems there are far more conservative blogs these days than liberal, and far more conservatives posting than liberals.

Usually the exchanges are testy, and I get called names, and occasionally resort to saying things I wish I hadn’t. Most times I maintain my cool, but from the other side, it appears as though I am thoughtless and dogmatic. In the end, I regret those exchanges that bring out my worst and their worst. (I do, however, love to taunt Budge. He gets very insulting. Yesterday I stopped at “incoherent drool”. I’d bet he said something interesting after that, but I have no idea what. He lost me.)

They will not change. A few of them are thoughtful – they know who they are. But for the most part, it does no good to be kind to them. And that is a shame, because the thoughtful conservatives have a lot to offer us, and we need to listen to them. I’ve been around liberals enough to know that they can be light and feathery, and not hard-nosed enough to deal with the world as it really exists. I’m not so dogmatic as I appear, but I do react to dogma with counter-dogma, often knowing I am merely being a contrarian. To yield an inch is to lose a yard.

Anyway, it occurred to me this morning that it would not hurt to pick on an idea taken from a right-wing perspective, and give it due respect. The one that instantly comes to mind is the notion that to give people unearned benefits destroys their individual initiative, and makes them wards of the state.

It’s true. We’ve all seen it. In its worst form, it is the single mother, unwedded or abandoned and irresponsible, kept away from her kids by the requirement that she work a job that doesn’t cover the cost of childcare, which thereby becomes a public expense. She has us over a barrel – her uterus is a claim on the public treasury. The kids are victims who will soon make their own claims on us. The whole situation is tragic.

Then there is the Earned Income Tax Credit, which was revamped during the 1990’s into a pure welfare program. The EITC started out as a means of refunding payroll tax to low income workers, but has become something else. It is heavily weighted towards people with kids. Again, at its root, is irresponsible reproduction – people who cannot afford kids having kids. It’s troubling.

I see the point of the other side of that debate. I don’t know what to do about it – raise more responsible adults? Birth control? Mandatory sterilization? We tread a line between individual freedom and tyranny. Liberals tend to glamorize these people as victims, when we have all met them. That slice of humanity that I have dealt with is often drugged or liquored up, useless to themselves and to us. The conservatives are right about them, and the liberals too soft to give them the tough love they need.

That is just one of many points on which conservatives are right, and yet … they don’t have a solution for us. Neither does our side. It is seemingly intractable, though deep down many conservatives simply want them to perish. I have tended lately to fall back on something offered years ago by William F. Buckley – that it is not a bad thing to feed these people, but don’t feed them too well. Instead of food stamps used to buy starchy and sugary processed foods that make us all fat, give them access to basic foodstuffs. Let them eat, but not enjoy it too much. To the degree possible, resist giving them cash. They usually don’t spend it well. Liquor stores often benefit.

And about having all them kids? Birth control on every corner. Free condoms, pills, shots in the arm – whatever it takes. We can’t stop them from copulating, but we can make it less productive.

Anyway, I depart the conservative philosophy regarding indigents when it comes to two things that can help lift them out of both moral and physical poverty – education and health care.

Some other time.

11 thoughts on “Intractable Problems

  1. deep down many conservatives simply want them to perish.

    Deep down I’d say this is the projection of your own darkness.

    Don’t confuse tough love with the desire for genocide. The stats show us conservatives give more to charity, participate in civic groups at a higher rate, etc than their liberal counterparts.

    I’m sympathetic to abortion and euthanasia, but I get creeped out by some of the attitudes copped by liberal proponents of such.

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  2. Work in exchange for a living wage is seldom considered an option. Like most things people do, work requires some practice, and some reward equal to or greater than sitting on one’s ass. A good place to start is local food production. Gardening is rewarding work, good physical exercise, and no matter how many failures, there’s always something to feel good about at harvest. It’s basic education, meaningful work and pathway toward a way to survive if the global corporate food system crashes.

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  3. …Social Darwinism…

    That is a pejorative term in some circles. But there is some truth there we should face. It is hard for people with an IQ below 90 to make a contribution to modern industrial society. Do we make work for them, or do we just warehouse them?

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  4. Low IQ people do grunt work, or accounting. I doubt you know the worth of grunt work – only that illegals are available to do it, negating its value.

    Education does not equalize – it simply makes lives better. George W. Bush was highly educated and had very little vision. It doesn’t take on everyone.

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  5. You’re too glib by a factor of 10. Just maybe I’m one of those guys who does the work too gruntish for illegal aliens. Do you provide your pigeon holes furnished or unfurnished?

    Mechanization reduces the need for grunt work. The modern aspiring civilization will always be reducing the demand for low IQ work, so the question still stands.

    Education does not equalize

    We are often told the path to greater equality is through education.

    it simply makes lives better.

    Really? Apparently the education of GW made life worse for all of us.

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  6. They still haven’t figured a way to pick strawberries or stitch baseballs or sweep floors other than by hand. The reason that there is a worker behind the counter at Burger King is that they haven’t figured a way to outsource that job.

    We are often told the path to greater equality is through education.

    You make mush in the wordpot. Education is a path to greater equality. Equality will never be achieved, as people are not equal. But education can lift us all up.

    GWB is another phenomenon – rule by aristocracy. He’s an ordinary chump, but due to high station got into the best schools, and because he was seen as useful for really smart and powerful people, became president. The damage he has done is incalculable – but it was his station in life that brought it about more than his education.

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  7. he was seen as useful for really smart and powerful people

    Don’t overestimate our Mandarins.

    education can lift us all up

    I’ll agree with you here.

    This was a good post and I was just picking a few nits.

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