Stupidity covers our land like thick and too-sweet frosting on a bakery cake. The Tsarnaev brothers not only do not get their day in court, but one has been murdered, the other is near death. The neighborhoods of Waterton were searched without warrant, people driven out of their homes at gunpoint as helicopters hovered menacingly overhead and German shepards barked.
All because people are frightened of boogeymen. Americans are so scared they will tolerate any abuse of police state justice, the Bill of Rights shredded as innocent people stand with hands over heads.
That’s not really a problem, however. The “Bill of Rights” stands for nothing when people do not stand behind it and fight for it. The current generation of Americans has not earned it. Rights are never given, as our forebears knew. Those who “give” us our rights also have the power to take them away. Our enemies are not phantom Muslims overseas, but rather those men with those guns, dogs and helicopters in Waterton. They do not protect – they menace us.
We are in a motel, and last night we turned on the television set. At home we use the TV to watch movies, TV series and baseball, but only without commercials. Here in the motel non-commercial fare is unavailable, nor is fast forward. For the brief time we had it on, we were appalled. The few cable channels that one time set out to offer above-average fare, like Science, Nature, Animal Planet and A&E, are forced by commercial pressure to pander to stupidity. One film crew was pretending to fish for river monsters after dark, while a “Mythbuster” was, I’m not kidding, making a surf board out of duct tape. (Mythbusters, also “debunked” evidence that 9/11 did not happen as we are told. There ya go.)
The reason that these networks had to abandon their missions is clear. There’s no ore to be mined out here. There awaits only bankruptcy for appealing to higher values. The mission of TV is not to entertain us, but merely to get our attention so that we can be demographically packaged and sold to advertisers. Too many hours of utter banality cannot help but make us stupid. Americans are acutely aware of the latest mobile phone, the latest way that flour, cheese and tomato sauce are globbed and congealed at Pizza the Hut, but haven’t a clue that we just witnessed fascism.
A horrible crime was committed. We don’t know who did it or why. We were told by authority figures that certain individuals did it, and they were hunted down like dogs, one murdered, the other near death. Gun-toting goons in black garb entered homes at will.
No evidence, no warrants, no day in court. All with our permission. That’s fascism, people. Fascism – police state rule, no rights before the arbiters of justice – goons with guns.
Fascism, brought to us by Fear, Inc., and coming soon to your neighborhood.
Piece of Mindful 
At least with pizza you know what you’re paying for, sort of. Annual pizza consumption is estimated between $22 and $38 (frozen, u-bake added) billion. We pay for those action figures and their dogs, and the garb, guns, rigs and cameras too. Spy cameras on our streets and in our schools cost an estimated $82 billion — just the cameras. We are literally (50% borrowed plus interest) paying for our government to take freedom from us. Nice touch don’t you think? Then we cheer and chant!
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When it comes to 9/11, you can at least point to the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq so that you can say the government had cause to scare us in order to get their way. Of course I’m not convinced that we need that kind of prodding to send our military abroad, the US having a population that is indeed easily duped into such adventures as you say. But it was so soon after the attacks that we were pointing fingers and laying the groundwork for war fever that it’s hard to imagine the same thing is happening here.
The FBI is saying that these two acted alone. Not exactly the language you hear in advance of an all-out invasion. President Obama isn’t exactly beating the war drums either. I really don’t know what you think is going to happen here.
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In a general thought-controlled environment, the objective is to raise the general level of anger and tension, and I see and feel it all about. After 9/11 people were so angry that they could have invaded Denmark for all it mattered. And the patsies were Saudis, even as Iraq was the target.
It’s all playing out behind the scenes, as the Russians never openly provoke anything but do play a mean game of chess. And remember in 1998 when Clinton wanted to attack Iraq he could not generate enough public support. That is, I suspect, the origins of 9/11…
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So in other words, your position has now changed – there will not be an all-out invasion of Syria. But this was just done to increase the overall level of fear. It was a general attack used for general fear-mongering purposes, not to stoke the fire for a specific military action.
So you were still right all along, as I predicted.
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Not at all. Syria still appears to be the immediate objective. I was addressing the use of Chechnyans as patsies when the immediate object is Syria. There might be embedded therein a message for Putin, or it might imply cooperation with Putin, former KGB guy.
All I can tell you that you might have ears and eyes for is that you have no idea who did this or why, and less a basis for speculation than I do. At least I have a framework based on real history.
Also don’t forget the strange event at Waco, so close to the 4/19 anniversary, and the Korean provocation.
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Your message is getting muddled here.
Initially you said that the purpose of this attack was to create fear in the American public to stoke the fires of war. You said that the Waco event was probably the same thing. But if that’s the script, than as of yet no one in the government is following it. One event is being pegged on an accident, the other on a couple of loners acting without the support of a government or terrorist network. So if they’re ginning up support for some type of invasion, they’re doing it wrong. The Syrians have not come up at all – not even a little – in discussions of the aftermath of this attack. And certainly not in the aftermath of the explosion in West.
I can see you trying to switch tacks here – you’re now saying that we were delivering a message to some foreign government or working with some foreign government to deliver a message to some other foreign government. If that’s the case then it’s unclear what that message is or who was delivering it. As of yet, that theory doesn’t hold water either- but I think you’ll start building your case for it as the days and weeks go by without us invading another country. And again, you will have been right all along no matter how few of your predictions come true.
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I have to agree with you on the muddled message aspect, Steve T, as well as to some degree with your prediction about his prediction. Although i do have a slightly different take over all.
As I see it, your father is pretty convinced we are going into Syria at some point. That wouldn’t suprize me either, since we seem to go everywhere and anywhere. Why wouldn’t we intervene? Yet your father then tends to see all events as related to his observation that we may be going into Syria. So that’s the lense through which he views the events in Boston.
I, on the other hand, don’t believe that events must be, or for that matter must not be, linked up. I try to just watch and see and think, “What is going on here?”
The first thing that really struck me about Boston was that when the suspects were initially identified so many different people stood up and said, ‘No way, that guy is a really nice guy, he wouldn’t do this. He’s like a brother. He’s with us.’
OK I’m paraphrasing here but that’s similar to what a lot of people who actually knew the suspects over a period of years said.
So since I was just reading up on the Jonestown mass murder, maybe i’m looking at the world through a mind control kind of way. But I find it curious that someone everyone thought was a great guy would be bombing his friends and neighbors. That’s just not expected. And for what? We haven’t yet been given any kind of logical motive other than the ‘hates us for our freedoms?’ kind of bs speculation.
Another vary interesting part of this was the way the police went door to door all night long in a couple of geographically seperate areas. That’s a never before done event. Did they plan and execute that plan on the spot and on the fly?
If you haven’t seen the link at my post below, please take a look, because those questions raised are relevant.
Syria to me seems rather irrelvant to the facts on the ground. On the ground something new took place. What actually happened? How did that happen?
That’s what my interest is.
If the US military industrial complex decides to invade Syria they will not matter what happened in Boston.
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Au contraire – American public opinion is not left to chance, but rather is managed like all other aspects of war. Americans are ill Ill-informed and easily fooled, but even so can be dangerous if enough of them act in concert. So events like Boston make perfect sense – engenders anger, creates a rallying cry, and confuses everyone.
I mentioned Waco above or elsewhere. I don’t believe in coincidence, and there are two there making it even more unlikely – the date, and the coincidence with Boston. Had Boston been somehow averted, we’d all be screaming about Waco. I am waiting for details to emerge, but that is all lost now in the victimhood party around Boston.
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Post 9/11, the Bush Administration listed seven countries they intended to bring down in five years. They were Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Iran. The big ones left now are Syria and Iran. They cannot attack Iran without bringing down Syria, otherwise Israel’s northern flank is exposed. Ergo Syria is next. For two years now we’ve seen an insurgency there, funded by outsiders, said to be Al Qaeda, which is a US creation. There has been bad mouthing by extremists in the Bush II and Bush III Administrations. Such behavior precedes attacks.
Prior to such attacks, a domestic buildup of support is needed, and creation of a false flag event gins up anger. In Iraq, it was 9/11 and they talked up WMD’s to scare Americans, and it worked. In Libya, they said that they were rescuing 700,000 people from Qaddafi, and it worked. For Syria some game is up, and whatever it is, it will work. Don’t need a crystal ball to figure that ne out. Boston is too big to have been done for nothing. But an attack on proud brave Americans by Muslims oughtta do it, dontcha think?
Please keep in mind that the supposed perps here have been tried and convicted, one murdered already. This without a day in court. I can tell by your words, Steve T, that without benefit of evidence or trial and based only on the words of authority figures, you think they are guilty.
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And your authority figures have quoted fake Russian generals while referring to troop movements in Jordan that they couldn’t possibly know about. Granted, you know none of these things to be true, but trust your sources. That sounds an awful lot like what I do.
Of course, we are actively funding the Syrian rebels and supporting the overthrow of that government. We’ve had troops there for months, have given hundreds of millions to the rebels, and will continue to do the same. But we didn’t need a terrorist attack to do that. The American people mostly don’t know – and more importantly, don’t give a shit. DC also didn’t need much public support (or concern) to oust the Libyan government. So, the Syrian government will fall and the U.S. will have had a large part to do with it. But we won’t invade like we did Iraq. So we don’t need an event like Boston to encourage the inevitable. Really – this is the main reason that your events don’t add up.
Again, we’ll have to see how all of this plays out. It should be abundantly clear at this point next month that we are not planning an invasion – and even if we were, that the Boston attacks will not be the casus belli for such an action.
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So our only difference is that I say that public opinion is managed and not left to chance, and I trust foreign media source but not our own.
On the latter, American media has lied so often that trusting them ever is foolish. Those media that I read do not have a discernible market share in the US. Their reporting has no impact on public opinion here, so that they have little reason to lie, and there are no filters in place to stop their reporting, as there are here. Russian news from a Russian source is suspect, but news of US activities from a Russian source is more credible. Ergo, I am more trusting. But you never know. One thing for sure – American media cannot be trusted. That is bankable.
On American public opinion, it is a thought-controlled environment, so nothing is left to chance. Your opinions on everything except sporting events are managed by others and are the product of American news and advertising. You cannot escape it unless you make an effort, and very few do. So you do not have free choice or access to good information. From a thought control standpoint, the only critical aspect is that you believe you are captain of your ship.
I believe they will bomb Syria, as the Assad regime has put up too good a fight against the invaders, so that there is no other option. it is one more war, and public opinin will be managed,as with the others. The only wild card is what the Russians might be doing behind the scenes. That is the only hope for Syrians to have a decent life at this point.
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No, we have quite a few more differences than that. Our main difference is that you assume that anything bad that ever happens must be done by the U.S. This in spite of the fact that still – a week on – no one is making the connection between the Boston bombings and Syria.
You are collecting dots instead of connecting them. Yes, the U.S. has a penchant for intervening in the Middle East and bringing down governments. Yes, we often care little for the people of those countries. Yes, the media can often be manipulated. Even considering all of these things, it is quite a stretch to assume that our government planted these bombs with the intent of killing Americans. In fact, that sounds kind of like a James Bond movie.
Let me ask you this: Let’s say we live in establishment-world where the U.S. government doesn’t just attack its own people willy-nilly. Let’s say that the government did not actually have a secret plan to connect these lone wolf Chechen kids to the Syrian government in a double-secret plan to invade just like we did with Iraq. Let’s say that for some reason, that the Tsarnaev brothers actually were guilty of this crime. How would things be playing out differently than they are now?
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I will offer evidence tomorrow of the innocence of the Tsarnaev brothers. but for right now consider that one was murdered, the other subjected to heavy fire meant to murder him and somehow survived. Obama has now pronounced him guilty, and he will not have a day in court. You like this stuff right?
More tomorrow. Just understand, Syria is in play.
By the way, substitute the word “never” for “often” and your “minimizing of US crimes” strategy fails. “Never” is the word.
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Sheep by nature are always scared.
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So, Steve T., when the guys with guns come to your front door with no warrant, and start demanding illegal this and that, what will you do? We are all the target of freedom-grabbers.
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Here’ an interesting article by David Swanson on the oddities.
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/1696
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Correction, by Dave Lindorff not Dave Swanson.
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BUT, we are safe! Aren’t we?
http://www.infowars.com/shocking-footage-americans-ordered-out-of-homes-at-gunpoint-by-swat-teams/
This was just too scary for me, to reminiscent of another group who ignored the law….IN GERMANY!
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More thin crust fascism.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/04/22/pol-terror-plot-ontario-quebec-arrests.html
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You believe every word right?
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Your drivel or the cbc?
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Actually this is more believable.
“OSLO, NORWAY — The General Atomics MQ-1 Predator unmanned drone was nominated Monday for the 2013 Nobel Peace Prize for its unrelenting pursuit of peace and tranquility in under-governed spaces around the globe, the Nobel Foundation announced.
“The prize is awarded annually to recipients who have displayed an abiding commitment to ridding the world of conflict,” according to Nils Droppenhammer of the Nobel Foundation. “The Predator has shown an unwavering dedication to seeking out and eliminating sources of badness everywhere, but particularly in fragile states where its impact is felt more intimately.”
Read more: http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/04/predator-drone-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize/#ixzz2RFC7K8RT
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Sounds like the same shit-for-brains who nominated Obama for that prize..
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You cannot know if the event is real or staged. You cannot know if it is a real event or if honest police agents caught a covert action in the works. You cannot know if it was some sort of practice drill flipped live,or a practice drill that merely was interpreted as real by media.
In short you don’t know shit. Thanks for the link.
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No truer words has been spoken Mark.
You can’t believe what’s on TV, radio, or internet. The only thing You can trust is the written words published for centuries.
Take for instance the Koran.
From the Koran via Victor Sharp:
“Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Koran 9:5
“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85
“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”… Koran 9:30
“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65
“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
“Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60
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Which talk show host are you channeling today? And have you sold your daughter off into prostitution yet, as your bible instructs?
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Make love, not war.
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