“When we generate electricity from a conventional generator, be it coal, gas, oil, or hydro, the machines are all linked together by the transmission system. This synchronizes all of the generators, which in North America is that a speed of 60HZ or 60 cycles per second. To put it simply and without going into great detail, the magnetic force of all these generators in synchronism gives the system stability, both steady state and transient, which keeps the whole system operating in a stable state and able to withstand line trips, generated trips or lost of load without taking the entire system down by loss of angular stability or a cascading voltage collapse. The more of these independent power producers generate back into the grid, and the more we depend on them for energy to feed load, the less stable our system becomes. With all of these energy sources on during the night that do not offer any spinning mass (inertia) to the system, the less stable the system becomes and therefore the less reliable.” (Peter Gibson, 40-plus years’ experience as the electrical utility sector employee)
I clipped that quote from the book The End of Fossil Fuel Insanity: Clearing the Air Before Cleaning the Air, by Terry Etam, a 25-year veteran of Canada’s energy business. The reason it caught my eye was an interview I did with Ab of Fakeologist with Gaia down in Colombia as well. I commented at one point that ExxonMobil and the Sierra Club had worked hand-in-hand in California to shut down the nuclear power plants that existed there, only one (Diablo Canyon) still functioning.
I thought it obvious that ExxonMobil wants to get rid of nuclear power, as it presents competition, with countries like France getting 70% of its power from that source. For the Sierra Club, they are just stupid and evil, in my mind anyway. I joined them in perhaps 1992 and as quickly got out, remaining on their mailing list for decades. I did not know in ’92 the expression “controlled opposition,” but they are it, and their willingness to take millions of dollars from ExxonMobil is strong evidence of this.
Climate alarmists automatically accuse skeptics of being a stalking horse for the fossil fuel industry, saying that outfits like Heartland Institute get their money from that source. They say this reflexively without evidence, as they are allowed to do in that movement. There may be some past partnering there, but not enough to sustain. And anyway, it appears to me that the fossil fuel industry is (even if reluctantly) yielding to the massive power that resides behind the Climate Change hoax. We will find in ExxonMobil and all of the fossil fuel companies, big and small, (real) scientists and engineers who know nothing but to find and produce oil and gas and all of the products and services that go with. They tend to be apolitical professionals, so all of the hype around climate surely flummoxes them. They do not understand it, and do not speak up for fear of loss of job.
Ab and Gaia were adamant, even to the point of chastising me, that nuclear power is a hoax. I did not buy it then, and do not buy it now. There is something in those domed facilities going on. At its very base level, nuclear power is merely use of steam to produce heat to spin generators. Supposedly the source of the heat is uranium, and rods made of that are used to create heat by use of fission. The industry has been besieged by ignorant environmentalists, who operate on fear of nuclear bombs and crazy and stupid movies like The China Syndrome. Fear is the primary moving force in American politics there, as everywhere – irrational fear.
Ab and Gaia had a different take, that maybe there is electricity being generated from these plants, but that its source is not uranium, but rather excess energy taken off the grid (at night?) to keep the grid from seizing and shutting down. That would harmonize with Gibson’s opening remarks above. He is addressing the inherent instability in the electrical grid, and the need to keep it stable, especially at night when demand is down.
If producing energy at night after removing electricity from the grid, they are not putting it back in the grid. Where does it go? It is vaporized, sent its way and left unused. This would mean that nuclear power plants produce electricity during the day, and at night burn it off for the sake of grid stability. That’s all I can make of it given Ab and Gaia’s input and the actual existence of 440 plants worldwide.
The book The End of Fossil Fuel Insanity, when I initially tried to order it from Amazon, was unavailable, that is, it was in print and there was no shortage of supply, but Amazon oddly said that it was dangerous to ship it to my address. I interpreted this as shadow-banning, but the book is now available for half of what I ended up paying for it. Etam is refreshing in that he does not have all the answers, and only sets out to relay to us how incredibly complicated it would be to shut down our fossil fuel delivery system and replace it with solar and wind power.
He has not yet addressed the idea that solar and wind are inherently costly and unreliable, only that you cannot unplug one source of power and replace it with another without major disruptions due to technical matters that no one in the climate alarmist movement understands.
I am by nature a conservative in this sense: Always proceed with caution when making major changes, going slowly, in small increments that can be undone if there are major problems encountered. Climate alarmists are wild-eyed zealots, and can (even intend to) do major harm to society. If you think, as I do, that they are clueless about the science behind climate, imagine too that they are also clueless about the technology behind our electrical and gas delivery grids. They are dangerous.
As to Ab and Gaia, maybe they have hit on something, but I refuse to believe that the 440 plants word wide and 92 in the US (spook markers noted) are put there like Georgia Guide Stones, just for show, and easily destroyed without doing major damage. Some other game is afoot.
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synchronicity is necessary in a grid to avoid power loss. Alternative current swings between minus and plus polarity following a sinus curve and if you add a source which has a minus when the rest of the grid has a plus polarity it would reduce the sum of the voltage and be useless. That’s why it is not so easy to connect photovoltaic to the grid. It needs to be converted into AC synchronous with the grid and the easiest method is to use the power and frequency of the grid to convert PV into AC. That’s why you can’t use PV if the grid is off and you are connected to the grid. If you use PV off the grid, it doesn’t matter of course. The frequency though seems not to be that important anymore. In Europe we use 50Hz, but if you have a clock somewhere (in an oven or microwave for instance) which uses the grid frequency instead of a quartz oscillator, the clock may get slow and show the wrong time. We have like 5 min. delay on some days and it usually are delays. I’ve never seen this clocks going faster. There probably is a huge excess of electrical power and it doesn’t matter anyway and that’s why they allow here to put so called balcony PV (less than 600W) directly into the grid. It does no harm but is mostly useless. We have some PV (about 1000W) in the garden but use it off the grid.
As for the grid, they can switch of the electricity for a while in a region but then people will not get the media propaganda anymore. They can’t switch off an entire city because switching back on would not be easy if everyone needs full power to start all the devices. But technically it would be doable. Water is more complicated because once the pipes are dry, putting water back would make the water dirty and endanger all consumers. It would destroy all the filters, etc. and require lots of after work. Gas is even more complicated because the ovens would have to be approved again and it is dangerous too and may cause fires and explosions. That’s why I don’t think, they would do that to us. But they may of course. This people started world wars in the past. There’s been great resets too. We’ll see.
As for you questions Mark, where does the electricity go if nobody uses it, think of a power generator which runs but nothing is connected. It generates electricity which is not used for anything. In your house there is this blue wire, which leads all the power out that you don’t use and there is this yellow/green wire (I assume USA uses similar colors as Europe), which is connected to the metallic parts of the devices and to some metal mass buried in the earth on the other side and is useful if there is a short. Modern fuses detect that some of the power went astray and switch the electricity of. The same happens if you touch the wire. Then some of the current flows through your body into the earth, which even may kill you but the fuse detects this and switches the electricity off in microseconds and if your home grid is up to date, you won’t even feel anything. Or think of a water cooler in a computer which cools even if there is nothing to cool.
How then does nuclear fit in to the mix? Is it a legitimate power source? Ab and Gaia say no, I suspect otherwise.
it’s easy to say no if you know nothing about something. I’ve learned a lot about electricity and it wasn’t fake knowledge since it is being used everywhere. I’ve seen a small reactor myself, it produced lots of heat. that’s how big reactors are supposed to work. They heat water, steam drives turbines which creates electricity. I haven’t seen any even half convincing argument against that. There are thousands of nuclear plants everywhere. They don’t look different to conventional plants burning coal but that’s not enough for me. Since it is all about producing steam, cooling water and reusing it again. I expect it to look similar. What ever it is, we have an excess of electricity and something produces it. We even can afford to fake it with wind turbines and PV, which I consider to be counterproductive. I remember times, when there wasn’t enough electricity even though people used it mostly for lighting their houses. Maybe nuclear plant are a misdirection from something else but we still have electricity. The old world didn’t have it the way we have it. That’s all I can say.
Excellent comments, Barb. Most women in Germany are entirely ignorant of how power generation works, at least in the Western/BRD/FRG part, the Eastern/DDR/GDR had a better educational system.
Doubting nuclear power plants because atomic bombs are fake (today is Hiroshima day) is like doubting satellites because human space travel is fake. Or like doubting heredity because DNA science is fake.
“I am by nature a conservative in this sense: Always proceed with caution when making major changes, going slowly, in small increments that can be undone if there are major problems encountered.”
I recently watched a 2 hour talk by Galen Winsor, who was an American nuclear engineer. I encourage everyone to listen to what he has to say, as he was a part of designing and operating these power plants.
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The talk was not available but a long printed interview was. Much to absorb, and thank you.
I just now entered his name to check and got dozens of videos on YouTube and other places. It is a must watch. I repeat, it is a must watch.
Was Galen Winsor telling us the whole truth, or a half-truth? I suggest the part about the disposal of human bodies (see excerpt below) was a misdirect – weaving myth with some truth. After all, he was a Bircher, which may give us a clue to his intentions. Further, his name, Galen, is highly occulted – referring back to Galen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galen), who was born in the ancient city of Pergamon (AKA Galen of Pergamon – potentially signaling to Robert Maxwell’s Pergamon Press https://moneyweek.com/505757/great-frauds-in-history-robert-maxwell). Spook alert?
Born 4 June 1926
Morgan, Morgan Co., Utah
Died 19 July 2008 (82)
West Richland, Benton Co., Washington
Alma mater Brigham Young University (1947)
Workplace(s) General Electric; United Nuclear
Galen Hulet Winsor (June 4, 1926 – July 19, 2008) was an American chemist and nuclear plant safety manager who publicly denounced strict controls on atomic energy, arguing, among other things, that there has been a conspiracy by an energy cartel to misinform the public about the dangers of radioactive materials, which he proposed are largely harmless, extending to include claims that the 1979 partial meltdown of a reactor at the Three Mile Island Nuclear Generating Station (TMI-2) in Pennsylvania did not occur and the event was fabricated to stoke public fears, and that programs for the apparent disposal of radioactive waste are used by criminal elements to dispose of human bodies. His lectures on the matter were funded by the American Opinion Speakers Bureau, a committee of the John Birch Society.
He graduated from Lincoln County High School in 1944 and joined the Navy that September. He served a tour in the South Pacific and was a radio operator on Guam where he was wounded by a sniper.
After leaving the service, he attended Brigham Young University in Provo, UT, where he graduated with a degree in chemistry. There he met LaDene and they were married in the Salt Lake Temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on August 29, 1947.
They moved to Richland, WA, in August of 1950 where he worked for General Electric at Hanford as a Nuclear Chemist. He helped build and run processes involving extracting Plutonium. He also served as a missionary in the Northern States Mission during this time.
In December 1964, the family moved to San Jose, CA, where Galen was involved in designing a commercial nuclear fuel reprocessing plant.
Galen was active in the church Scouting program in both WA and CA. In May of 1969, he moved to Joliet, IL, where the Midwest Fuel Recovery Plant was built. Galen was the first bishop of the Joliet Ward, Chicago South Stake and was involved in building a beautiful chapel there.
GE then had Galen manage a uranium ore facility in Nucla, CO. Galen accepted a job with United Nuclear in October 1976 and moved back to Richland.
He has had many jobs and projects that promoted and advocated nuclear energy even after retiring.
And it’s edible, uranium that is.
I have many more questions than answers when it comes to nuclear power plants. So I do not (yet) have much to add to the discussion.
That said, since I do often look at spellcrafting for potential clues – and given that I sense there is some occult magic afoot with respect to nuclear energy – I thought it may be interesting to see some of the words embedded in nuclear:
Also, this may be relevant (from 9/11/2014) . . . “Israeli Companies Protecting Nuclear Reactors Worldwide Against Terror Attacks”
“We have the ability to detect, monitor, and classify any underwater threat automatically, without any intervention from an operator. The technology is based on sonar similar to that used in ultrasound imaging, but covering a significantly larger area, ” DSIT VP marketing Dan Ben Dov told “Globes” today. “Canals through which water flows to cool the reactor core constitute an Achilles heel, and our sonar systems can do a good job of closing this breach.”
DSIT is not the only Israeli company now aiming its activity at the protection of nuclear reactors against the burgeoning threat of global terrorism. Magna BSP, which develops radar systems for detecting and identifying threats, has been operating in the global market for protection of sensitive systems for several years, including nuclear reactors in Japan and Europe.
Israeli companies involved in the protection of sensitive facilities say that there are 400-470 nuclear reactors around the world used to produce nuclear energy, the growing threat could cause rising demand for reliable warning systems in the coming years.
That is precisely what’s going on. Fission generates heat, which is used to heat water to generate steam, which drives a turbine, which via a shaft drives a generator. It’s just the source of heat that is different from coal or gas powered plants. No mystery there.
This is so important when dealing with complex running systems. Small, incremental changes. And yes, climate alarmism is a dangerous ideology.
Here’s what I would do if I was a scammer in a position of power. Take energy from the grid at night time to heat anything (possibly water) there is then lots of energy stored and no problem because there is excessive energy at night. Then during the day use this stored energy topped up by something else (nuclear or solar would both possibly work obviously use whichever is most profitable and least likely to get caught it would be great if you could also produce at night) to produce steam and ridiculous profits with minimal energy.
Obviously for the good of the world if you ever get caught.
“Take energy from the grid at night time to heat anything (possibly water) there is then lots of energy stored”Seriously? What happens to water when you heat it to 100°C? This helps for heating houses, but they need to be built close to the power station, or else it won’t happen. As for power generation using heat stored in water, just forget it, it is simply not hot enough.As a rule of thumb, the hotter you try to store something, the less efficient it is because of loss being non-linear but rising with temperature.Ever heard of night storage heating? That is night-time electricity used for heating storage ceramics in special radiators. Thing is electricity can be more efficiently transported over distance than hot water.For near distance, within urban areas, hot water networks can be built (Fernwärme, Heiznetz). This is not very common in (West) Germany for heating private homes, but I think more so in Russia (Heizkraftwerk).
Water would not necessarily be my first choice but there would be no harm in pre heating the water as well. I understand there are solar plants that heat different salts or sand basically as a form of energy storage.
Why would you not do this even not as a scam just for efficiency sake. At my work we have lots of solar panels but none of the excess power goes to the grid it is simply lost. How much power goes this way?
Question is always whether it is cost-effective to build the infrastructure needed to store and distribute heat, to transport it over time and space. Local reuse may make sense, but the thing with solar energy is that you have most of it when you need it least, in the summer time, right now. So in principal it sounds like a very good idea but you always need to build additional infrastructure to enable reuse, and that’s where a decision has to be made whether or not it is worth while doing it, whether it is cost-effective, whether it is even energy-effective, because building things also consumes energy (fuel, concrete, etc) and amortization may take many many years and possibly not be there before the technology is outdated.
All steam generators including the ones attached to nuclear reactors preheat the water with condensate-feedwater system pumps.
Yes. But these water circuits are very close to the heat source, they’re part of the power station. For heating the neighbourhood or other non-local uses, additional infrastructure has to be built – pipelines, pumps, maintenance. To keep the temperature up at the receiving end, water has to circulate all the time. So there is an initial cost for investment and running costs for operation. I guess it makes sense for local power stations that are built right where people live. It is done in Russia, as far as I know, but not (or rarely) in Germany.Incidentally, there is such a heating network in the tiny 50 people village where I live, but it would not have been built were it not for massive subventions paid by the very expensive electricity price in Germany. It feeds part of the village with warm water from the 370 kW power generator that 24/365 burns gas made from rotting corn in so-called “biogas chambers” two km away connected by a pipeline. The entire setup is part of the “Energiewende” madness. The farmer who operates the power generator had the heating network built (digging underground pipeline = considerable initial investment) because that way he “earns” more subventions guaranteed by law because of “process heat reuse” (“green” thumbs up!). He basically heats a lot of things that wouldn’t require heating, like his unisolated workshop, and the people connected to his network can afford to the leave the windows open in the winter. (He even encouraged this to make them draw more heat = more subventions for him.)In other words, it’s a kind of scam. The net energy balance from growing corn, letting it rot to gas and burning it to generate electricity is negative, even taking into account the additional reuse of warm water, which was only economically viable because of additional government subventions (called “Fördermittel”).But that doesn’t mean the way they do it in Russia is bad. It is just not the way it is done here. We have different ideas. And less harsh winters in Northern Germany (subatlantic climate, not very continental). We may see -20°C morning temps in some winters when cold air invades from the East, but not for extended periods, and it is not typical at all, usually rather like +5 to -3°C.