Excuse me if this is old news to most readers. I’ve been hanging out at Aulis lately, as so much of this Moon hoax stuff is a great sleep aide. I watch it late in the evening as I drift off. There’s only so much I can watch of shadows and lighting sources – and I drop off. (The accompanying text to the video is quite long … and , okay, a sleep aid too, telling us how they pulled it off.)
This video above is twelve years old, and is of Vsevolod Yakubovich, a Russian cinematographer. It gave me a chuckle. NASA has no shame! They used miniatures to simulate the Rovers joy riding on the Moon. I didn’t have to look at it too long before it became painfully obvious, an astronaut sitting there with arm extended, non-reactive, not even resting the arm as he moves along because he is not a real person. He’s a fricking doll! A Russian cinematographer sees it easily, as they are not brought up in our propaganda system, and so doesn’t have layers of onion skin over their eyes.
And, if you’re like me, once you see it, it is out there in the open. I thought all the Rover footage was shot on earth, but the text explains that due to restraints in lighting and studio space, they had to resort to miniatures, varying the speed film to be able to show slow motion as real time, giving the effect of dust slowly dropping to the surface as it theoretically would in a low-gravity environment. It’s not bad work at all, but their electronics were a bit primitive, and they could not make the doll move and look alive. So they just sat him there. That’s what gives it away.
By the way, Sarah Silverman was on Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend back in May, and this is not unrelated. The subject of conspiracies and hoaxes came up, and while there was only a brief lucid interval with her, she did state plainly that she believes the Moon landings were faked. She’s not a go-to source or anything; she’s just a comedian. But the show is as close as we ever get to a mainstream outlet saying something that runs counter to official truth. I am not going to listen to it again so I cannot pinpoint the timestamp when she says that, nor can I guarantee it’s not been edited out, but I heard what I heard. O’Brien, as I recall, merely moved on.
We are headed up to Glacier Bay for a brief vacation, to do some kayaking and whale watching over our thirtieth anniversary. I’ve never been to that place – we had a trip planned in 2020 but something interfered and we had to cancel … I forget what it was – oh yeah, Glacier Bay National Park was closed due to an astronaut falling off his Rover … no, wait, I mean, a fake virus.
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There’s a lot of great stuff on the moon hoax. When I figured it out about 4 years ago I laughed out loud so hard. Partly because I had some people in my family who were “uneducated” but quite smart – their kids became doctors – who thought the moon landing was fake. There’s a lot of funny material made of it over the years, like the Moonfaker series on youtube. Bill Kaysings and Ralph Renes books are classics, not everything is correct, but there’s some priceless material – like the moonsuits being made by Playtex! Yeah like playtex tampons.
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” … not everything is correct … “
Tell me one thing that is correct, Ray.
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Another funny film worth checking out is the “mockumentary” Dark side of the Moon. The plot is that they figured out they couldn’t do the moon landing so they turn to Stanley Kubrick to fake it, on the condition that he gets some of the great Zeiss lenses for his future films, like Barry Lyndon with the candlelit indoor scenes. They splice in interviews with Kissinger and fake insiders, it’s like Spinal Tap meets the moon landing.
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I must see Spinal Tap.
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I just saw your comment on the fake virus. I can remember some indoctrination when I was a kid.
So at the end of the year, or semester, they bussed us all to the University of New Hampshire hall that could accommodate our entire high school, as a “treat” to us to a movie. These films were all dreadful to sit through for 1980s high schoolers – I remember Cat Ballou, The Count of Monte Crisco, Oklahoma!, and the Andromeda Strain. That last one was I remember was particularly awful and incomprehensible. The fake virus from “faked” space – meaning I’m not sure I trust the astrophyscists that there is a nearby galaxy called “Andromeda”, that we were told over and over again as kids that it would definitely collide with the Milky Way in some millions or billions of years, but the stars were so far apart they would just mix like peanut butter and chocolate – I just made that up but I made my point.
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So the video is 2:22.
I hope you will agree, Mark, that the four Horsemen of the Moon Hoax Psyop: Bill Kaysing, Dave McGowan, Bart Sibrel and Massimo Mazzucco are all agents and do not have a single word of truth between them to say on the moon landings. I think this is a very important fact to start with because if they are agents then we can reasonably predict that there will be other disinformation out there on the moon landings and we need to be very careful of it.
Do you agree that these four are agents and have not a word of truth between them on the moon landings? If you disagree, why?
https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/moon-landings-hoax-psyop
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the famous 911 troofers are all agents tambien. Therefore 911 happened as we we’re told of course
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“the famous 911 troofers are all agents tambien. Therefore 911 happened as we we’re told of course”
False equivalence.
The 9/11 agents tell some truth (sort of) mixed with lies.
The Four Horsemen of the Moon Hoax Psyop tell NO truth.
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Any names petra , cos the giants i stood on to see further in respect to solving 911 , which i have done in the sexiest way going , the diants now hide away from me .
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funny stuff. Seeing as you completely ignored my apples
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https://milleniumfall-con.chatango.com/
HERES A NOTEBOOK
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experts and liars hide from me now smj , cheers.
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If it wasn’t so funny watching truthers hide from me and talk bullshit to ab for years , i would have quit .
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There’s an article on Aulis about the history of the whole program. There were huge steps, manned flights without unmanned tests before. Like the insane “skip entry”, basically breaking in Earth’s atmosphere, coming back from the moon full speed. There were no casualties, except A1, only trouble was the A13 show, featuring the 13, 11 happens to be the greatest success. In the end, looking at the greater picture, seeing how unbelievable the program is, is the best we can do, but it’s also opinion only, like seeing dolls in official footage. Believers would probably explain it with low gravity and what not, technical details. When I looked into the moon program, I found there is an answer for everything! You can download pdfs with technical information, about the landers AC for example. Meanwhile, controlled opposition makes people stare at shadows in bad pictures… The program was huge, it was expensive, it accelerated the introduction of computer technology, anchored the scientific heliocentric model in children’s minds.
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“When I looked into the moon program, I found there is an answer for everything!”
Precisely. Yes, there is an answer for everything (except Apollo 13 and probably Apollo 1 although I haven’t looked into A1). But there isn’t an answer for everything for the 9/11 buildings, planes and dead and injured and there isn’t an answer for everything for the covid pandemic.
In psyops there are no answers for many, many things because psyops aren’t about credible stories, it’s the opposite.
Apollo 13 was clearly a psyop … cos they tell us with their usual contradictory versions and other nonsense such as an old sock being used to jury-rig a CO2 scrubber. The same does not apply for the other missions. The stiffness of the rover drivers can possibly be accounted for by the heaviness of the suits and other factors. Plus we see them at a distance and there is probably small movement that we don’t see.
This is what ChatGPT says in response to stiffness of the rover drivers. To me, it could go one way or the other so for the rover drivers I ignore that evidence. I don’t have a strong sense of whether they really shouldn’t look so stiff or whether that’s perfectly consistent with expectations. I look at the evidence as a whole and focus on items where I feel I can determine that expectations of real are met and because there is sufficient of that kind of evidence I go for real.https://chatgpt.com/share/68848307-93b4-800a-8972-eb56f2e7c764
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Petra, we’re off travelling today for a while so I won’t be able to engage you … but the McGowan matter is indeed intriguing. He is, as you say, a spook, and his specialty appears to be the limited hangout. I picked up on this with his Weird Scenes work, where he revealed to us that many of the musicians of the 60s and early 70s had military connections, which is true. What he did not reveal was that those connections were not familial, just certain people assigned to certain families, as with Jim Morrison, not his true name, assigned to the admiral.
So what was he up to with the Moondoggie series? If true to form, he will take us this far, no further, showing that no one went to the Moon (I know we differ on that matter so bear with me). So if not that, what? I can only imagine spy satellites, spying on us, maybe corporate intelligence, as military enemies are fiction, and maybe weather interference, that sort of thing.
The idea that there is a Cold War and that the Russians and Americans were competing is not true, as I see it, but even Aulis now advances that mythology. The game is still afoot.
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Have a great trip, Mark, and happy 30th anniversary.
It’s not just Dave though – it’s also ‘ol Billy Kaysing, the first guy, who – hilariously – they made Head of Technical Publications at Rocketdyne (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/bill-kaysing-297315.html) and who – also hilariously – claimed that “captain” of the Apollo 15 mission, James Irwin, called him to confess to the fakery of the moon landings but – concerned about phone tapping – arranged a call for another day. Billy tells us that the day before the call was to take place James Irwin died of a heart attack.
Note: The leaders of the Apollo missions were called commanders not captains and James Irwin was the lunar module pilot on the Apollo 15 mission while its commander was David R. Scott.
… and it’s not just Billy and Dave … it’s also Bart and Massimo. I mean, come on … and it’s the fact that no disbeliever has worked out that between them they have not a word of truth to say the moon landings didn’t happen.
Mark, you’re the one posting the quote, “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” You need to reflect on it.
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in a Hi Petra, I am sitting in a motel room in Juneau, Alaska, this morning. Unbelievably, the room comes with a small coffee maker, but no coffee. We are early risers and our flights yesterday were ridiculous, so we did not arrive last night until 11pm. I am suspicious that Alaska Air is a branch of NASA. I complained in Seattle bout yet another delay, only to be told “We have a lot of flights!” I said “You’re an airline. You’re supposed to be good at it!” Yes, I was sleep deprived.
We had to walk to a Safeway a mile away this morning to get coffee-fixed.
I’ve not read Kaysing.nI have read Bart Sibrel but do not trust him. I have looked at photos, knowing full well that the photos were not available until the arrival of the internet. The photos tell the stories, but I am also aware that people do not look at photos with a skeptical eye. That kind of evidence is not convincing. When I do come across good evidence, like the Pollacio Super 8 movie, I run with it. I was reading a few nights ago about how NASA discounted that movie, saying that it had switched to slow motion partway in. Not so, say Russian cinematographers, but there the word “Russian” turns people away. The whole thing about the Cold War still lingers, even as I know it too was a staged phenomenon.
There’s plenty of evidence around however. Just the fact that a takeoff from the lunar surface for the LM was untested, and yet they risked lives allowing it to happen. You just can’t get around those radiation problems. The fact that first try at landing and return went off without a hitch first try … c’mon. The problems with Saturn rockets were unresolved when NASA switched to just faking it with Apollo 8. A private pilot saw a military cargo ship unload a space capsule around the time of a recovery at sea. Witnesses from aircraft who saw lights in the sky said to be the return of Apollo 11 on an Australian flight stocked with champaign and paper certificates for passengers. The Dutch moon rock. the Genesis rock, which has led people to think the Moon has water could lead to tragedy. The behavior of the astronauts and truth’s hidden layers … no stars, a misplaced Earth on photos, on and on, round and round. NASA must be frustrated at having to defend this stuff, as most of them are real scientists.
I read a lot, hopefully with a critical eye, and long, long ago decided, as Sarah Silverman did recently, that it was all faked. The question then becomes why? As I’ve also decided that the Cold War was a distraction, a show, so that was not it. There is some other reason, and McGowan’s job, this far no further, is masking it. So beyond knowing they faked it, I got nuthin’.
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The are just now kinda coming out and more than hinting it was faked. Sarah Silverman wouldn’t be allowed to say that in the mainstream otherwise. Other issues coming out about the same time, old world buildings, tunnels, etc..wonder if it’s leading up to a big reveal of some sorts or if it’s just a realization more people are waking up finding out on their own and the info needs to be controlled…
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She would be allowed to say it … if, in fact, they really went.
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“I read a lot, hopefully with a critical eye, and long, long ago decided, as Sarah Silverman did recently, that it was all faked.”
What I’ve encountered so much in my psyop analysis is that people can do absolutely loads of research but they stick in their little bubble of information that confirms the hypothesis they favour. I’m a rather lazy researcher, I’m much more an analyst than a researcher – my method is this: whenever I see something that allegedly debunks something else I check whether there is any response to that debunking.
It’s a really simple method but it’s a much more reliable method of getting to the truth than restricting engagement to material that supports the hypothesis you favour.
The scientist tries to prove their hypothesis wrong. It’s just so simple but people don’t do it.
So what have you engaged with, Mark, that responds to the debunking material?
I highly recommend Dave McKeegan’s YouTube channel – even if he ignores my comment on his Apollo 13 video that says the explosion was faked.
https://www.youtube.com/@DaveMcKeegan
Walking a mile for a cup of coffee? First world problems, Mark :).
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Oh, it gets worse, these first world problems. We are stuck in Juneau, Alaska airport, Air Alaska having canceled the flight covering the last forty miles of the journey to Glacier Bay. We had to hook up with a sea plane outfit to get us there. Time to check our last Will and testament.
I am familiar with what you’re talking about, confirmation bias. The problem is that NASA reminds me of a narcissist, incredibly skilled in the art of deception. Just the idea that they overwrote the tapes of the Apollo missions due to a shortage of magnetic tape, the mission tapes being precious commodities, the act of destruction blatant evidence of deceit, and supporters buy it! So much of it simply does not pass the ludicrous test. The Russians who comment on this, like most NASA employees honest scientists, call the later years NASA behaviors “comedy”, bypassing testing the LM’s ability to take off from the moon and hook up with the CM. It does not fly, so to speak.
What you ask, to grant NASA a pass for basic honesty, insults my intelligence. I see hoax from the get go. But I agree with your assessment that more leeway would be prudent. If only they passed the smell test.
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What needs to always be borne in mind: whether astronauts landed on the moon or not there is definitely a psyop saying they didn’t … courtesy of Dave, Massimo, Bart, Billy et al
Re tape overwriting from ChatGPT
What Was Lost?
The tapes in question were not the broadcast videos you see of Armstrong on the Moon. Those have been preserved in many forms. What was lost were the original SSTV telemetry tapes that recorded the raw signal directly from the Moon before it was converted into broadcast television format.
Conversion at the Time:
The raw SSTV footage from Apollo 11 was received by tracking stations (like Parkes in Australia and Honeysuckle Creek) and then converted in real time to NTSC format so that it could be broadcast on regular TV. This conversion degraded the quality. The raw SSTV format had significantly better resolution, but it was never directly aired.
Why Were They Overwritten?
By the early 1980s, NASA had an overstock of magnetic tapes and routinely reused old ones to save costs. There was no immediate understanding of the historical value of the raw SSTV telemetry tapes. The broadcast version had been widely archived and copied, so the importance of the higher-resolution telemetry tapes was overlooked.
Why This Doesn’t Suggest a Cover-Up
Ample Other Evidence Exists:
Thousands of photos, many of which are available in high-resolution.
Moon rocks independently studied by scientists worldwide.
Telemetry data, mission transcripts, and voice communications.
Tracking of Apollo spacecraft by independent observatories and countries, including the Soviet Union (who had every incentive to expose a fraud).
Losing Data Doesn’t Equal Faking Missions:
Bureaucracies often make careless archival decisions. Many historical and scientific institutions (not just NASA) have lost original recordings, films, and documentation through error, budget constraints, or obsolescence. The British wiped original Dr. Who episodes. The BBC lost original coverage of major events. This is frustrating but not evidence of deception.
A Faked Moon Landing Would Have Required More Archival Control, Not Less:
If the missions were faked, NASA would have preserved every scrap of supporting material to reinforce their story and avoid suspicion. Losing data is actually inconsistent with the behavior of a cover-up.
Conclusion
The loss of the Apollo 11 SSTV tapes was indeed regrettable, but it reflects bureaucratic shortsightedness, not evidence of a hoax. The claim that they were lost due to a magnetic tape shortage, while it sounds suspicious on the surface, is backed by internal NASA documentation and auditing reports. Moreover, the Apollo missions left behind an immense body of verifiable evidence that has withstood decades of scrutiny.
Believing that this tape loss indicates the whole program was faked requires a significant leap in logic and ignores the broader context and abundance of corroborating evidence.
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The tapes had value in that they could give evidence of the validity of the supposed transmissions from the original moon landing, for history’s sake. Without them, we have NASA’s word, and nothing else.
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Hope you get to Glacier Bay safe and sound, Mark. I remember reading the books of Hammond Innes as a child which make the part of the world you’re in now seem so exciting – sometimes too exciting …
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We got to Glacier Bay, and did some kayaking today … there was a humpback whale hanging around the coastline feeding. We were able to track it for an hour or so. That’s really exciting. Also saw a brown bear, a black bear, harbor seals, river and seat otters while out there. Nothing like kayaking in Alaska!
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Tomorrow we’re on a boat for the day … it will take us down the bay here in and out of the various arms and up to the places where glaciers end in the bay. We expect to see lots of animals, we hope anyway.
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Wow! Amazing! Do you post images somewhere?
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My photography skills are not good … with Orca’s and the like, you have to click when they surface and know where to point. So my images are of sea lions, glaciers and ice floes, not terribly interesting. You pretty much have to be here and/or be a very good photographer.
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Petra, I’m curious, have you laid out your views on the subsequent space programs through the years.. Challenger program, Musk and SpaceX, ISS, etc. It’s all or mostly been real, in your view, or some of that is fake? I haven’t studied it all extremely closely, mostly just skeptical based on various articles or discussion from the “fakeology” camp. But I don’t always go verify claims, links, etc, so wouldn’t make absolute claims about most of it.
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Or “space shuttle” program.. I guess Challenger was just one launch..
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Petra seems to like to stick to the company line of NASA “Never a straight answer”. And nasa means to deceive in Hebrew. Just a coincidence, I’m sure. And why exactly is it called NASA. North American Space Agency? Since when did we invite Mexicans and Canadians to participate in this farce?
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I know NASA deceives, Ray. I have no doubt.
— The Challenger disaster is the most brazen psyop of all time. However, I still believe Judith Resnik went to space on a prior mission and that she attended Bryn Mawr during the day attending an arts course while attending classes in electrical engineering at the University of Pennsylvania 20 minutes down the road in the evening. They tell us she was the only female student in her year to get a perfect SAT score. It’s a shame how her brilliance has been exploited.
https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/the-challenger-disaster-the-plot
— The Apollo 13 explosion is also a psyop – that they reveal to us very clearly, however, I still think the spacecraft probably slingshotted around the moon. The fact that it is a psyop means ALL the astronauts are in on the fakery.
https://petraliverani.substack.com/p/houston-we-have-a-problem-was-it
But they went to the moon simply because they wanted to go there and were able to manage it while there are paid agents pushing propaganda they didn’t.
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As I say in my comment to Ray, the Challenger disaster is the biggest psyop of all time and the Apollo 13 explosion is also a psyop.
I haven’t looked at SpaceX, however, I simply do not believe that Elon Musk would be involved in faking it, the guy likes doing things for real. I mean, you’ve got to take your hat off for Tesla I think. People say he didn’t found the company – sure – but he made EVs both attractive and affordable. I assumed when EVs started coming out that the cheaper ones would be more common than Teslas but no, I only see Teslas here in Sydney. There are probably EVs that I don’t recognise but that’s another thing – he made the Tesla so recognisable amidst a sea of look-alike cars – presumably someone else did the designing but obviously he chose the right person to do it. I think many Teslas in Australia are leased as company cars and that has been made to work taxwise. Whatever, the guy makes things happen.
I think the ISS is real. This is a video by Dave McKeegan on the subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpifU9woE48
Dave has also had ridiculously long discussions (about 15 hours in total) with a disbeliever of the moon landings, Jeran – not sure if he got him around or not. He got him around on his belief in Flat Earth. Hats off to both of them for keeping it totally civil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJyAsWfq9JU
I put a comment on Dave’s video indicating Apollo 13 was fake – no response. Of course, that’s they way those in power like it – the believers believe and the disbelievers disbelieve and never the twain shall meet.
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Thanks for expanding on your views. I’d not heard of McKeegan, good to know that source if I ever wanted to dive in and study both sides.
Side note on EVs – I saw an article about Chinese producion. Said they have many many companies and actually a problem with overproduction and “ruinous competition” that leads to deflation. Far cheaper than Tesla’s or other Western EVs, but I think mostly unavailable to Western buyers.. I’m no expert, but my reading suggests maybe the hybrids (as Toyota decided) are most logical overall, rather than pure ICE or EV.. if logic/ rationality were the goal..
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Yes I agree. You’d think they’d start with getting hybrids established first at least. A friend has a Prius which is not a plug-in hybrid but still a type of hybrid and it’s really good on petrol and was also a very reasonably-priced car to buy.
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PETRALIVERANI,
Thanks for sharing that novel, amazing, earth(space!)-shattering NASA information. I’ve been following Space for a really long time, but I’d never heard any of what you said or showed here before. Intriguing.
The true and bare novelty of it all is that no one has ever seen any of the video clips you just shared. They are beyond reproach, and you know that anyone contrarian to the claims suggested within cannot hold a candle (as they say) to the ROCK-Hard, Solid evidence that you have provided.
If only any of the Unbelievers could scrounge enough time to respond… to at least try and ‘de-bunk’, as the kids say, this heavy-hitting information you have shared. Well, i guess some have already… but, i welcome More (and they will of course fail)!
But you’ve definitely put them at a disadvantage, with your emergently operant video evidence. Both the ISS, and the Apollo Moon Landers were (and are) of course completely real – not at all fake. Anyone suggesting otherwise is clearly just a member of the 77th Brigade (et. al.) trying to convince us of untruths, and therefore should be shunned. And of course, they will be.
Sadly, although i very much feel your frustrations, the onus falls upon the claimant. And unfortunately for all of us fine NASA-fearing believers, it was NASA who made the bold claims that they did. A lot of claims, I’ve got to admit!!!
Perhaps though, it was just… as the incomparable Joe Rogan said at one point, “overzealous publishers” who were responsible for the, erm, miscommunication of – totally factual – information.
Hmm… maybe… just maybe.
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A vast amount of topics and information provided, this was my point. Critics shunt for not knowing enough, controlled opposition making stupid claims. The ‘rona was the most annoying and disturbing case of these tactics, what I referred to as “an answer for everything”. You can look at thousands of papers, statistics, studies, interviews, events, ordinary people used scientific language. It was narcissistic supply at hand, making people discuss the right choice and combination of vaccines, instead of walking away from the narrative at all.
Back to the moon – I’d not touch the “radiation problem” I can’t know about radiation in space, it’s effects.
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“I can’t know about radiation in space…”
A number of things fall into this category., don’t they? [Things] that involve, or require access to areas only [they] may visit, or touch. Deep, deep, ocean exploration. Cold, cold, (Ant)artic. “Space”, of course.
What’s that famous quote: “Trust us, we’re from the government.” Or: “…for your safety.”
I had heard, or read somewhere, that if a rocketry hobbyist gains enough skill for his “toy” to reach sufficient altitude, the government poseurs swoop in and confiscate all with a “No, no, no… ‘dangerous'” line of baloney. Cannot allow a dumb human to simply measure that which the government flunkies insist is one thing or another.
Mark: I think that you are way too generous stating that NASA are really scientists… private sector [necessarily] holds the smart ones, not the stooges on the dole.
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Yes and you can add academicians on the dole. I’ve been around long enough to figure out the “scientists” in academia are almost all politicians, and have learned through connections how to game the system. The quality of research, especially now, coming out of the universities is pretty abysmal in the sciences. And they are the lapdog of government grant institutions, because much of the money comes from the NIH, and directed at the top by people like Fauci, and his minions. Industry is where all the innovation has taken place, especially in mundane yet real areas like automobiles and airplanes.
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Interesting, and a bit surprising, but you’re directly involved so I can’t say I know otherwise. So much of what I’ve read though suggests that the deep budgets and long time horizon of government, via NIH etc al, has been responsible for most “advances,” and then handed over to the private sector to own and profit from. Vannevar Bush is considered a key figure in establishing this system. Of course that’s just an official narrative about it all, still I thought there was some general degree of truth in it.
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The planned destruction of late night TV..?
One of the silly storylines lately has been the cancellation of Stephen Colbert, and his war with the Donald, and the networks being pressured by lawsuits not to criticize him, etc. The NoAgenda podcast played a bunch of clips, talked about the falling popularity of the format, its creakiness and so on.
Anyway it hit me while listening to that, ohhhh, now I get it.. In retrospect, this whole thing – not just the Colbert kerfuffle, but why they hired Colbert, Kimmel and Fallon, and had the first two at least get very political, unfunny and obnoxious. The whole thing has been a long term plan. Colbert and Kimmel alienated half their audience, created tension and division, and probably helped elect Trump, as people got so sick of always being preached and lectured to by every media outlet, and formerly light entertainment options. Fallon was a limp mediocrity you could turn to, so you had no real respite. Maybe you could pay for cable or streaming, and watch Bill Maher or somebody.
Anyway anyway, it was a planned fail, multi-pronged agenda. They were hired to destroy late night, either because the writing was on the wall wrt media trends, or comedy is verboten in their tense politicized dystopia, or..? They figured, might as well send late night down in flames, as a big subplot storyline, rather than it just fizzles out. And this latest flap is just the finale.
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Iv’e been busy , don’t hold it against me .
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There was an article about the end of the show on WELT online, a German news site, flagged as an opinion piece, praising him and the show as intelligent political TV. Ofc it was pure mocking, a bad joke. I knew about the infamous “vax scene”, and some commenters too, but I found no comment figuring out the obvious mocking. The left is being deconstructed, that’s what is going on, some decade now. We’re supposed to be ready for war with Russia until 2029 (official goal, to make Germany”kriegstüchtig”), you can’t have WW3 with hyper moral leftists and climate protection. Also, the pendulum has to swing back, this is how it has to be for occult reasons.
Late night shows peaked in the 2000s, times gone anyway. We had a good copy here, the Harald Schmidt Show.
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I remember Colbert did some over the top rant about anti vaxxers.. or was it Kimmel? I forget the details. Not sure what you mean about mocking – the article?
The “left” is long gone, at least in public view or discourse, in the US.. I read NakedCapitalism a lot and a recurring theme is how the Democrat party slowly morphed from its old FDR style concern over economic and working class issues, into all the fractured identity politics, and catering to white collar, professionals (or aspirational) who could adopt fashionable “progressive” issues that don’t really threaten the status quo, or the enormous gains of the top 1%. And allow them to look down on the white working class, rather than seeing a commonality as wage earners. And feel virtuous and morally superior, for supporting these marginal symbolic issues. And of course they can be inflamed to support any current war, and the huge public spending to defense contractors, just by handing them a story or two in the New York Times.
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Mark, I can’t find where you put the highest # of polled that were doubters of the moon landings were blacks and gays, but that makes sense. One of my ATF quotes is Miles Davis saying space is “white man’s bullshit”.
Speaking of white man’s BS I saw that clown Neil DegrASSe Tyson spouting garbage on the history channel about space. Note these astrophysicists ALWAYS say we are this tiny insignificant speck in the universe, which they claim to have complete knowledge of, and INSIST we are nothing but dust in the wind. Methinks they try too hard – maybe the universe is quite small, and those SOBs know it. I suspect it may be, and the old astrological depictions of the “universe” revolving around the earth every 26,000 years have a whole lot more credence than the Big Bang nonsense.
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I always come to these interesting threads a month late. Oh well. I don’t lurk in these forums as much as I used to.
I stopped reading Miles Mathis permanently after he claimed the most recent floods in Texas were all faked and nobody died. I know the family of one of the little girls that was washed away and attended the service in Houston. Three hundred fake mourners showed up to the service and the family wept uncontrollably because they were just really good actors if you believe Mathis. Any way that’s neither here nor there.
Petra has maintained the same position here for years. And Mark has refuted him with the same no less valid points. And so we sit here wondering where the truth lies. There is, however, one irrefutable fact: All the material evidence NASA has provided the general public to prove astronauts did, in fact, travel 238,855 miles through powerful radiation belts in rudimentary spacecraft with protective gear that could not even protect you from today’s machine resonance imaging.
Now maybe Petra can sit there and replay, again and again, that absurdist theater of the lunar module launching from the surface of the moon back into space and can tell us who was left behind on the lunar surface to film it. Perhaps 1960s filming technology allowed an automated camera to pan the lens with those hi-tech motion sensors with electrical systems that could sustain -410 F temperature. Tell us too, Petra, about those magical spacesuits that could not only protect astronauts from intense radiation, but also maintain biological functions at -410 F.
Anyone who contends that the moon landing photography was produced on the surface of the moon has a long way to go in untangling a Gordian Knot of patently absurd incongruities–especially trying to explain to a first year photography student in high school how the anomalies of depth, height, foreground, background, light and shadow are so obviously distorted and fabricated that even a half-bright nitwit can see that they are fake or, at best, produced in a highly controlled sound stage environment with false backdrops (let us not forget either the absurd transparencies of the astronauts themselves). In fact, the photography and video materials furnished by NASA to support their supposition that men walked on the moon defy even the most cursory inspection by seasoned professional photographers and videographers. Let’s just be honest here. Any serious NASA scientist today must be embarrassed and downright ashamed that their institution is responsible for proffering such obviously fraudulent photographic evidence and trying to pass it off as genuine artifact.
And, finally, the conceit itself defies any logic or rationality. Using rudimentary technology completely untested by trial, men were able to navigate 238,855 miles into sub-sub-sub-Arctic temperature with electronics and film, survive radiation levels unknown to the human body, preserve stunning images on film and transmit a radio signal back to earth in stunning clarity, land on and perambulate the lunar surface, unpack and operate a lunar rover which is roughly 2/3 the size of the module used to transport it, survive -410 F temperatures in untested spacesuits, launch back into space in a tiny capsule and hurtle 238,855 miles back to the earth’s surface–and all of this, in a matter of days, without a single problem.
Now let’s assume Petra is a rational, logical human being with a modicum of upper level mathematical training and understands the basic laws of probability. Let’s assume also that he can comprehend even 10 percent of all the variables created by such an endeavor as the moon mission: successful launch from earth, penetration of the atmosphere, traveling 238,855 miles through space, being exposed to unknown levels of radiation, surviving -410 degree temperatures, successfully landing on the surface of the moon, successfully launching from the surface of the moon, successfully returning 238,855 miles back to earth, successfully re-penetrating the atmosphere, and successfully parachuting into the Pacific Ocean to be intercepted by a Naval search and rescue team. Let’s also assume that even so much as one of all these variables failing during this mission would end in fatal termination. What then is the probability of total success on the first attempt? I know. It’s okay to laugh.
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Just to keep proper use of pronouns intact, Petra ia an Australian woman.
I like your comment, filled with just an outline of the impossibilities overcome by Apollo 8-11-17. I’m well past that. I like that Petra comments here, as it livens the place up, a her approach is unlike others, kind of a scientific take that attempts to shift burden of proof on us and away from her. I have no problem with people are are (in my view) wrong so long as they are honest. I’ve been wrong more than not, and if it is true that we learn from our mistakes, by now I must be a f****** genius. It is the liars and poseurs, paid and controlled opposition, like Dave McGowan (fake death 11/22/15) who draw my contempt.
And anyway, a challenge for you: The Saturn rockets were real and powerful, not enough so to go to the moon, but enough so to perform some other function in LEO. There were no humans aboard the Apollo rockets. They’d never have survived. What they did with Apollo, in my current vision, was supplemented later by the Shuttle program, and then fronted by the Regan era Star Wars, said to have failed. It is in place now and functioning. These are all assumptions on my part, and easily disassembled. Care to give it a try?
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the Saturn rockets were pressurized tanks just like the atlas rockets. The Saturn supposedly had the helium inside of the lox and the other fuel tank
They both used a shite ton of helium of course.
JFK’s daddy sold his rko shares to odlum the atlas corp guy who then sold to Howard Hughes. Atlas corp also bought out Charles Steen, the uranium king, as well.
Psilly rockets are balloons with fireworks strapped to the bottom.
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Yes its all clear as day once you think of all the illogical feats the astronauts breezed through, with nary a scratch.
In fact its downright astounding how many darn astronauts have been launched into space with almost no one dying (challenger astronauts excepted).
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Hi Judge, I’ve said this before and will say again since you mentioned Petra. I would bet dollars to donuts she works for NASA marketing, or some space marketing firm. Why: because I know marketing speech, and she uses it. Not a strong grasp on scientific concepts or “scientific common sense”. Of course that applies to most mainstream scientists, so not singling out Petra, whoever he or she is.
Space is big, big business lets not forget. I ran into a space marketing executive at the airport a few months ago, some rich kid woman who was flying to Washington to literally beg for money from the New Hampshire congresspeople, whoever they are now. Lots of them around.
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Was the body of the little girl found, did you see her in the casket at the funeral or was it a cremation? Was that a totally rude question that I shouldn’t ask. How do we verify what anyone says, yet that is how Miles would get away with what he posts in his articles..There’s no way for his readers to verify, much of his statements are based on his opinion and internet research. Miles has been wrong about stuff and I pointed it out, but no change in his articles were made. I apologize if you really were there, and it was a real funeral, I am just making a point. I have attended funerals for people in my local area who I assumed their faked their deaths, only one person was in the casket, others I was denied entry, or it was a cremation…hmm.
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Yes, the body of the little girl was found. Bloated and disfigured
beyond recognition due to prolonged submersion. No, I did not attend the autopsy, and the casket was closed, which is consistent with most
drowning funerals. She was my little cousin. And I can still see her
running around the backyard of my aunt’s house. She is dead. My cousin
and his wife are utterly inconsolable. She will not be attending school
this year, because she is dead. Her teachers and classmates are
devastated. Miles Mathis is more than welcome to bring his broke-ass
here to Houston and do some actual reporting. He won’t. Miles is a total
fraud. Falsus in uno, falsus in ominbus. And he still has not
satisfactorily answered for Josh Geutzkow. Simon & Company nailed
him on his curly head.
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Why would he come to Houston if he is a “broke-ass” as you claim, Delano? That infers he’s probably too poor to even fly or drive there even if he wanted to.
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“Falsus in uno, falsus in ominbus.”
This same principle, ironically, applies to what you’ve said about his article, where you deliberately lied by claiming Mathis said the entire Texas floods and deaths were faked when he only suggested that some of them probably were. If you’ve lied or exaggerated one aspect of your account, on what basis do you have to believe you haven’t lied or distorted everything else you’ve said here?
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“Deliberate lie” is subjective, as is lying itself. Perhaps a gentler classification of motives is in order.
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I think my “classification” is pretty apt since it appears Delano did misrepresent what Miles actually said in his article and never bothered to correct himself. It may be too harsh for your taste, but it’s hard to deny that’s what happened.
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“Falsus in uno, falsus in ominbus.”
This same principle, ironically, applies to what you’ve said about his article, where you deliberately lied by claiming Mathis said the entire Texas floods and deaths were faked when he only suggested that some of them probably were.
If you’ve lied or exaggerated one aspect of your account, on what basis do we have to believe you haven’t lied about everything else here, Delano?
It’s one thing to voice disagreement with the opinions of someone else based on your first-hand experience; it’s another thing to misconstrue those opinions with false generalizations.
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You commented “I know the family of one of the little girls that was washed away and attended the service in Houston”
Now your saying she was your little cousin. Hmmm!
What are the odds someone whose little cousins died in this flood, would comment on a POM lunar rover article, deep within the comment section about the flood.
I know that sometimes it’s hard to get a clear point thru with a few sentences in a comment section, yet you bring up the old Josh issue, so your comment seems more than kinda odd Delano. Post a link to the obituary if you have it, and you should if it’s your cousin.
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TBF, it’s possible that he’s related to the little girl and her family, so he probably was referring to them interchangeably.
In any case, that’s not the most problematic thing he said here, as I’ve shown before.
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“I stopped reading Miles Mathis permanently after he claimed the most recent floods in Texas were all faked and nobody died.”
That’s funny, because the last time I’ve read his article about the floods in his home state, he never said all the floods were faked or that nobody died. He concedes that there were indeed floods and deaths on page one of his article “Camp Mystic”, which isn’t surprising considering this happened in his native Texas.
He only said that some of the stories circulated about the floods – such as the story of one man rescuing 165 people – were faked, which should be obvious to anyone with even two braincells left. Or the deaths of 27 people at Camp Mystic being “probably” staged.
Here’s the article below for anyone interested:
https://mileswmathis.com/flood.pdf
Furthermore, since it seems you have taken personal offense at what you claim Mathis stated in the above article, I’m curious to know if the little girl you speak of was at Camp Mystic or any nearby camp when she passed away in the floods? Do you know anybody, for that matter, who attended Mystic?
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Nap, we are surrounded by walls and at the top are guards who govern our information. They protect the lies. Which are most of our reality. Sometimes, as with Apollo, 911, Jonestown, Tiananmen, I could go on, the lies are so absurd as to be worthy of ridicule.
They have developed methods, using appeal to authority, fear of ridicule, fear of swimming against the tide, false certitude, smug self assurance, appeal to the gallery … to keep your head on straight and continue to question their reality, requires on your part courage and self assurance. I think it also requires a counter cultural upbringing, or evolution into it. Kudos, sir. Carry on.
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Mark, all very good points. Something I believe that is underemphasized is how the guards at masters at playing our emotions. Humans, for all our intellect, appear to have a real weakness in how easily we are moved by emotions. I know, because this is something I struggled with from an early age. I remember my first girlfriend thinking I was very strange for having Spock as a role model – I loved the idea of objective behavior, and being able to use logic versus emotion to control my actions. And I became a scientist partly due to this. However, I am self-aware enough at my age to know how easy it is to perturb me. To this day I am far to sensitive to slights, and it is easy to get me to lose my focus, particularly if I am being ridiculed.
These masters of the emotional side know how to play everyone through our emotions to control us – there is no logic to it. It is done through stroking the ego, humiliation, fear of abandonment.
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I got some stuff welling around in my head, having to do with Roger Pielke, Jr., who has a substack called The Honest Broker. I put it in the comments there before (he’s not, so far, censorious) that while he was cancelled at University of Colorado, he could not be fired, so the University just treated him like shit, gave him a tiny cubicle for an office, probably all kinds of other indignities until he finally quit.
And it is not about Pielke so much as political power and how it is so concentrated in this country and can be focused to make the public believe nonsense and force otherwise smart and honest people to kowtow.
I have to get this all organized in my mind … fat chance, eh? I was thinking of approaching it via AIDS, how they made up a virus and a disease and then actually killed people (AZT) to make it stick, how ruthless they are. They murdered people using AZT to make their psyop stick.
I don’ t know if I can write it though. It’s a tough one.
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Isn’t it our job to show the public or your legit readers or the fakeologists legit readers the ignorance used in Apollo, 911, Jonestown, Tiananmen etc , Silence or ignoring the obvious is just as affective for showing how many of these sites of influence are infested with houseclowns or the gullible .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUUGDRxJnFU
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One mystery is why they ended the faked moon landings so quickly. As much as the upper class and American patriots thought the moon landing was great, I believe a large number believed it fake, or a useless waste of resources of a nation suddenly impoverished by a war in Southeast Asia, of all things. Especially the disenfranchised were quite pissed off at the moon landings. Example is the poem “Whitey on the Moon” written in 1970, heard it on MIT radio last week, it’s pretty appropriate response to the BS dancing on the moon that was absurdly triumphalist.
Gil Scott-Heron – Whitey on the Moon | Genius
Another reference that was negative towards the moon landings I noticed recently was in the song “Wicked World” by Black Sabbath. Theres a line “They can put a man on the moon quite easy, while people here on Earth are dying of old diseases”
Black Sabbath – Wicked World Lyrics | Genius Lyrics
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I think the excitement that came with the Apollo missions wore off as time passed and they had other projects to tend to such as the Vietnam War, so they decided to cease the missions after a few years of activity and reallocate funding from NASA to more lucrative gov’t sectors such as the military.
And the lyrics from “Wicked World” reminds me of what Tupac famously said about how The-Powers-That-Be have “money for war, but not for the poor.” It’s always been about what is more lucrative to their bottom line.
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I was just doing some reading on Stanley Kubrick, and noticed this on wiki:
For the 18th-century period film Barry Lyndon (1975), Kubrick obtained lenses developed by Carl Zeiss for NASA to film scenes by candlelight.
That is very funny, because the obscure mockumentary Dark Side of the Moon gives that as the plot point as to why Kubrick is dragged into the moon landings psyop.
Dark Side of the Moon (2002 film) – Wikipedia
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