Supernatural Experiences

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One thing I noticed in the comments to “Resolving the Tokarski Phenomenon” which interests me is a chain of comments skewing towards the Supernatural. This seems to be par for the course at this blog; it is a frequent occurrence in the comments. Now, as I explained in my first introduction…my mind is coldly, coldly logical, and I recognize this as a bias of mine. It helps to understand your own biases, because there is no getting around a bias unless you first understand that your bias exists. When people respond to my article about genetic engineering with comments about shape-shifters, the brain of “logical me” has learned to immediately disregard these concepts. At least I am able to recognize that I have disregarded something for no definite reason, except for a knee-jerk bias against the Supernatural.

This is where I wanted to share my own story involving the Supernatural…

This is nothing related to myself having such abilities, but rather related to a set of encounters I had with a friend when I was very young. This event has stuck with me and has had a far more profound effect on me than I ever could have expected it might. It all boils down to this: when I was approximately 10 years old, I had a friendship with a girl who had telekinetic abilities. She used to move things like pencils and pens with her mind on my command. Being the little skeptic I was, I would specifically test the system going in (no air flow, strings, magnets, etc.), and control the conditions such as which pencil and where it was placed. This was not a girl doing a magic trick and my 10-year-old self embellishing the memory. She proved that she could do this and repeat it any way I wanted to see it done. She actually used to flaunt her telekinetic abilities, probably because they so completely fascinated and impressed me. Even then, I was of above average intelligence and I assure you that this was not simply me being fooled. This was a girl who legitimately had telekinetic abilities. I had no idea what telekinesis was until she just started doing this for me. She used to try to help me practice so that I might be able to do it myself, but I never had any luck with it. This was her skill. What I saw was very impactful. This girl did not simply make a tin foil spinner move…she used to move solid objects like pencils and make them roll across a desk. It was remarkable, and to this day I am still amazed by this memory.

My mind is a cold and logical Babbage machine of spinning gears (how’s that for an old reference, Mark?), but this one single event has always given me an ability to realize that sometimes things cannot be rationally explained…at least not by current rational explanations. I was wondering whether any commenters could share a similar experience, because I do not know that I have ever met anyone to share this particular story with. Piece of Mindful seemed like perhaps the right place to do so. This topic (the Supernatural) is a minefield waiting to happen in terms of comments, but I am genuinely curious whether anyone else can share a truly personal (first-hand) anecdote like this. Nothing just about your own theory of the world, but rather a real-life Supernatural experience that you are not able to explain in rational terms.

 

56 thoughts on “Supernatural Experiences

  1. I have never experienced anything that could not be explained naturally. My brother, a priest, claimed to have had some experiences that made him aware that we do not understand everything. I don’t doubt your experience. I do not understand it. Did your friend explain it to you in some way that made sense?

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    1. Quite the contrary. She actually transferred to a different school the year after this happened, and we lost touch and never actually spoke about it. Several years ago, I got back in touch with her through social media (to specifically ask her about this), and she immediately clammed up and said something cryptic in response. I’d have to dig too much to find the exact words of her reply, but I know it amounted to a cryptic deflection.

      The only reason this has had a profound impact on me is because I have absolutely no doubt in what I witnessed with my own eyes at that time. I might have been young, but I was a little miniature skeptic, even back then…I would do things like intentionally make her stand at a distance (after having checked for strings, airflow, or something like a hidden magnet), and she was still able to produce the same effect. I would insist on being the one to place the pencil somewhere of my choosing, and she still produced the same effect over and over. It was genuine. Honestly, I think she did it for me specifically because of how impressed I was by it. She liked having my attention and this was the only thing she could do that made me so interested in her.

      To this day, I do not have any rational explanation for this experience, and I know in my heart that it actually occurred as I described.

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  2. I would posit that there was an adult in her family that influenced this ability, also that the enacting of telekenesis did not particularly bring her peace of mindfull ness so would have given up tbe train of thought involved in her teens , if Harry Potter in reality were to do whar he was made out to do he too would have to give it up or suffer depression af least

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    1. I can attest to this explanation mostly ringing true. Her mother had a reputation as being “odd”, from what I can remember, and her cryptic deflection when I asked her about it later in life would support that she didn’t keep up with it (or didn’t like talking about it).

      At the time, I was very disappointed that I did not also possess this capability. I think any 10 year old would probably feel that way. Definitely, I would trade any obscure feat of mind (I can name any US President by photograph alone) in order to have been successful at this back then. Harry Potter! This would have been around the time of the first Potter books, funny you mention.

      The only thing I ever found when researching this topic that seemed like a good fit was the so-called “Indigo Children”. My experience felt like it supported the idea of indigo children, although I never got particularly involved in this. It has always been just a memory that I carried with me, without explanation.

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  3. I don’t believe you.

    Sorry. Your words don’t ring true to me. Too much evidence presented in the negative, for one thing, i.e. “this was nothing related to” or “this was not…” or “I had no idea that” or “this girl did not simply” and so on. Anyone can tell me any number of things that did NOT happen or were NOT said. When someone chooses to inform me of multiple specific things that did NOT occur I have to wonder why.

    “What are you doing in the kitchen, Little Jimmy?” Answer: “I’m not stealing any cookies from the jar, you can be certain of that.”

    If nothing else one knows that Littly Jimmy’s got cookies on his mind, correct? And one would be forgiven for wondering if the little fella is holding two fistfuls of them even as he speaks, correct?

    That you end with an appeal for people to “share a true personal anecdote like this” only furthers my suspicion. I begin to wonder why you chose to insert the word “true” in there. Or the words “like this”.

    “Would anyone else like to share a personal anecdote?” versus “Would anyone else like to share a TRUE personal anecdote?” (and why, pray tell, would we want anyone to share an UNtrue anecdote?) versus “Would anyone else like to share a TRUE personal anecdote, LIKE THIS” totally true one that I just shared? That last displays a great desire to convince.

    You tell us that you’re coldy, or “coldly, coldly” logical, and have “knee-jerk” reactions against anything that smacks of the “Supernatural”, yet the “Supernatural” is the thing that interested you most from the comments. The “Supernatural” seems to have provided you, if your account is true, with a defining experience as you admit you’ve carried this memory around with you ever since the age of 10, and even went so far as to track down the girl and so on. The supernatural prompted you to write another article!

    “but this one single event has always given me an ability to realize that sometimes things cannot be rationally explained…at least not by current rational explanations.”

    I have one or two memories from childhood that I’d describe as “profound” or “impactful” or the like. I might say “the incident made me realize” or “the incident showed me” or something similar. You want to make sure I understand that your incident has always given you “an ability” to realize that sometimes there aren’t rational explanations, or at least not “current” rational explanations.

    Your choice of the words “has always” implies that you think of this event often, that you reference it often in your life. It is an ongoing process. The event didn’t just inform you that rationality doesn’t always reach the right conclusion. It has always informed you of that, meaning that it comes up repeatedly in your life, that you remember it and remind yourself of the lesson it taught.

    But that doesn’t fit at all with your description of yourself as a “coldly, coldly logical” Holmes-type who has “knee-jerk” reactions against the “Supernatural”. Which is it? Are you Holmes? Or are you someone who experienced a tremendous, unexplainable event that has stuck with you ever since and provides you with a core personality drive, i.e. “don’t always rely on ‘rationality'”?

    To be clear(ish) I’ll offer some of my own negative evidence:

    I have not called you a liar. I don’t think you’re attempting to get others here to relate personal anecdotes for an unstated reason.

    As a closer I’ll point out that a word search of the “Phenomenon” article you mention brings up zero instances of the word “supernatural” in the comments. The first reference to anything in the comments that could be considered “supernatural” came from user Watcher, who wished to inform us all that Satan’s minions walk the Earth and the End is Nigh or something like that.

    And in fact that is the ONLY reference to the “supernatural”, all others being responses or replies to Watcher or Watcher’s idea. Far from the comments section brimming with “supernatural” hoo-ha, at least on that article. That article is almost entirely devoid of “supernatural” comments save the one I’ve mentioned, and THAT is the one comment amongst all the comments that a “coldly, coldly logical” Holmes-esque character chose as a stepping off point for a new discussion.

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    1. Thanks for the comment…I very much enjoyed! I did think there might be some who would just say that I was lying here, although I am not sure what is supposed to be relevant about my explaining as “this was not simply me being fooled”. I described it that way because I really did have doubts even at the time, and I tested her many times with everything completely under my control. The only reason I share this as a profound memory is that she was very much able to show that this was genuine, repeatedly. Over and over.

      And I have seen many references to the Supernatural here at POM outside of Watcher’s comment. This blog is in some ways about exploring the unknown. My whole point in writing about my mind being cold and logical is to show that I am in many ways the last person you would expect to have had such an experience, but I did.

      I can understand why you might think I was just yanking your chain here, but I assure you that I am not. You could hook me up to a lie detector test and it would tell you that I really did witness a young female friend move objects with her mind, repeatedly, and even when I demanded that the “experiment” be completely under my control.

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    2. And I chose that comment as a way to tell this story specifically because I so quickly found myself dismissing Watcher. As much as I am a very logical person, I try to be MINDFUL of where I am being biased against other ideas. This was one such case, and I wanted to be able to discuss that sometimes logic and reason only get you so far. This experience of mine, which I have no logical explanation for, is what I use to remain mindful of ideas outside of my comfort zone. A little piece of mindful, you might say.

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  4. The most relevant issue here is understanding that we only have a subjective view of “reality” and our conscious mind will miss things, thus leaving some experiences with the label of unexplainable (in conscious, rational terms, that is).
    Ten year olds will miss things and yet try to construct a single file narrative of cause and effect, even when some manipulative 10 year old girl isn’t showing you all her cards. She had your trust and this little gypsy in training saw a mark and worked you over, probably by watching and mimicking her “odd” mother.
    The fact that they didn’t stick around again gives off the aroma of nomadic hustlers at work. We had a family of gypsies in our hood back when I was ten, and stuff like “powers” were rumored, but the grown-ups kept us in the sanity zone- especially my uncle Gene, who was a juvenile parole officer and new every scam a kid could pull.

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    1. I agree about reality being subjective, but I have to reiterate that I tested this girl many times and many ways and this is not a matter of an embellished childhood memory or magic trick. Obviously, to take someone’s word on this is difficult to do; I would probably be the same way. The only thing I can offer is my utmost insistence that there could not have been a magic trick at play here and that what I witnessed could only have left such a profound impact if it were truly beyond rational explanation. I would pick a pencil at random, make her stand at a distance, and do this at any moment or in any place. She always obliged. I would not have written about this unless I were certain of myself that what I witnessed was, by modern definitions, a Supernatural event.

      As a person who would likely tell anyone else that there must be a logical explanation, it feels very funny to say this, but I cannot be shaken from the idea that I really did witness true telekinesis. Even at a young age, I understood the significance of what I was witnessing (meaning how amazing it is that she was moving a solid object with her mind only), and that is the only reason I was so impressed by it. My young self was able to verify the effect by controlling the conditions, and she proved that it was genuine. Believe me or not, but what I am telling you is what I truly believe and have good reason to believe.

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        1. At 10 years old, you couldn’t tell if a person moved an object of your choice with their minds under conditions that you controlled? It is really not so difficult of a thing to witness, especially if you are in control of the conditions. A 10 year old can be a witness in a court of law. The person can either move the object with their mind under controlled conditions, or they can’t. This girl could…under controlled conditions…and this was repeated over and over. I understand that it is convenient to think that a 10 year old can’t know anything, but as God is my witness, this is what occurred.

          I completely understand that this would be hard to believe, so it is what it is, but I did not imagine that the main response would just be that a 10 year old cannot know anything, ergo this cannot be so. A 10 year old can absolutely be sure they saw something, especially when they were given the chance I was to specifically question the effect and test it repeatedly. I was a smart kid…this blew me away specifically because of how unusual it was. I won the school science fair a few years later, and I am all about verification. I went to town on verifying this, even at age 10. Believe what you will.

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          1. I didn’t know that 10 year olds could be in control of any set of conditions. but que se yo? congrats on the science fair victory.

            I seem to remember being pretty damned gullible at that age. still am I reckon. matter of fact I was gullible enough to waste money on a b.a. in economics too.

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          2. How do you not believe that a 10 year old is capable of saying, “Here let’s use this pencil here, which I know is not tampered with, and you need to stand over there, where I know you can’t be blowing on it”. As I said, the person is either capable of the feat under those circumstances or they’re not. She was…over and over.

            The science fair point was raised not for your congratulations, but as proof that I was not some dope of a kid who got fooled once and exaggerated the memory. I was skeptical, and specifically made her repeat this under any set of circumstances that I chose. And I have no idea what you think our college degrees have anything to do with this.

            I am very surprised that here of all places I am being met with such a flat refusal to consider what I witnessed may have actually occurred. Your approach actually feeds into my greater point, which is that you dismiss the idea because you inherently feel it could not be so. My suggestion is that perhaps you should not be so certain that it could not be so.

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          3. Experience has showed me that children and academics are the easiest to fool. So your claim of being exceptionally clever as a child does not lend anymore credibility to your narrative from my point of view. Butwhatever, perhaps your ten year old self was capable of setting up a controlled experiment with your little friend.

            No offense of course, but I wasn’t there so I cannot convince myself to be certain if your story is true or not. Therefore your testimony is just another story to me.

            And I’m not sure what you mean by flat refusal. You’re not suggesting that I’m under some obligation to believe your testimony cause it just so happens that you were such a clever child, right? My point was simply that children are gullible and most remain so, even into so called adulthood. And that I’m no exception; hence my degree in the dismal psience.

            So do exceptionally clever children still believe in Santa these daze?

            http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?t=246&start=1275#p2391184

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          4. Your analogy to Santa Claus is clever in that it certainly attempts to undermine me, but as an analogy it really doesn’t make any sense to the situation when you think about it. Kids are taught and lied to perpetually about Santa Claus. From birth. This was something I witnessed Suddenly at age 10 and immediately thought I was being fooled with a trick, so I started making her do the same thing under circumstances impossible to fake, and she still did the same every time. Your analogy makes no sense.

            You are under-estimating the shock I would have experienced in witnessing someone move an object with their mind, and TELL you they were moving an object with their mind, and no matter how much you go out of your way to eliminate that it could be real, they continue to do the same thing over and over again. It is not an event that you forget, and if the person is nice enough that they do this for you on command (even when you question them and make them prove they can do it any random minute with any object), then it really becomes remarkable. As I said, an unmistakable thing.

            I think you are under-estimating the level to which you just flat refuse to believe that this might be so, even if you say that isn’t true.

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          5. Trying to place myself in such a circumstance as yours I think logically if I saw such a thing, even at 10 yrs old, heck at 5 even, the next rational thing that would have come to my mind is to find something other than a pencil for her to move. Seems that would have been the obvious next step the mind would automatically inquire, a different object. The mind would wonder is this ability weight related, if can move a pencil why not a screwdriver, a cup, a table even. Why did you stop at a pencil?

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          6. Bob, that occurred to me too, as a general point about telekinesis stories. It often seems telekinesists struggle to make small objects budge, even when they are cylindrical and prone to roll. They’re always doing these amusing parlor tricks with their mystic power, it seems. I suppose it might come in handy in some obscure situation, but mostly not very handy. Maybe a clever self promoter could sell tickets to showings, but people would assume there’s a trick and, in that case, it pales beside the showy tricks of theatrical magicians. Clearly, “natural selection” needs to get busy and up the wattage of these mutants, so that their power at least has equal strength to their body… Heck, why stop there? Marvel Comic’s X-men characters can lift tanks and probably whole buildings if they strain THEIR noggins hard enough!

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          7. I understand why Bob says what he is saying about trying to ask her to move other objects, but my main focus was just verifying through many controls that she was really doing what she claimed she was doing in the first place. If I asked too frequently, she would say something about a mental exhaustion. This might also feed in why I did not ask her to move heavier objects. I was too impressed by the fact that she could move anything at all. The fact that pencils can roll certainly plays into this. Since all she was willing to do was make objects roll, I was not about to ask her to levitate objects in the air. I was too impressed that she could move anything at all. She did claim some other abilities, one I remember is the ability to dissipate a cloud by focusing on it. It is funny that this exercise was featured in the movie The Men Who Stare at Goats. I was far more skeptical about the cloud bursting, but considering she had been regularly moving objects with her mind in my presence while the objects were under my control, I wasn’t about to question her when I saw the cloud she was focusing on actually dissipate. I am still skeptical about that one, but I have absolutely no doubt that she was genuinely moving pencils and pens with her mind.

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    1. The account name was not even set up for POM. People think it’s Latin because of our bud MM. I really did just buy a fake Rolex in college, and made up the term randomly for an account name. If you want to say it’s fake law or fake principles, it is certainly not a reference to my fake law or my fake principles. That’s not my bag, to quote Austin Powers (which is going to score me a ton of intellectual cred, I am sure).

      If people wish to take that meaning to heart, it should be taken as a reference to the fake principles of others.

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      1. Uhm, credits for that went to the wrong guy. It was me, not Miles. Since you took it to yr heart, yr moniker isn’t entirely taken from Latin. Faux is a French word, standing for non-genuine or fake, sometimes it stands for anything made in imitation or artificial. Like a moniker per se, representing an artificial identity on a blog, such as for instance Minime.

        PS – Since ya dig biology, ya might want to look into the subject of Spanish flu more thoroughly. It was already demystified ages ago. It’s symptoms and world-wide casualties are related to Aspirin overdose, which was prescribed and consumed without any knowledge (or clinical studies done until after WWII) related to overdosing with acetylsalicylic acid aka aspirin. So there’s no fear of any kind of flu that would be similar to non-existing Spanish flu.

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        1. I first read about the connection between “Spanish Flu” and aspirin in a book by John Hamer called The Falsification of History. At 733 pages, most won’t go near it. Also, it is a self-published LuLu book, and not indexed, so take it for what it is worth but keep eyebrows at a proper skeptical height.

          Nonetheless, Hamer gives a thorough treatment to the Spanish Flu epidemic. He cites evidence that aspirin, then a new wonder drug, was prescribed in massive doses, and shut down immune systems. Those who treated the flu without aspirin enjoyed a much lower death rate, as low as 2.1% from pneumonia and zero deaths from the flu itself, according to Dr. Dudley Williams of Rhode Island, speaking of his own practice.

          What to make of it? The fact that most flu epidemics take people who are already in compromised health since that time says that influenza is not fatal for healthy people. But it was fatal during that epidemic, and the existence and over-prescription of the new wonder drug indicates that aspirin indeed played a role. In 1918 they could not differentiate salicylate intoxication from infection.

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  5. I cannot rationally explain why a coconut has water inside. Seriously. How does water get into the coconut? I have not found a convincing explanation for this.

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    1. Something-something-The-Charge-Field.
      There is no coconut water. Nor, for that matter, do coconuts themselves actually exist. It’s all Hollywood fakery. Anyone who tells you they’ve ever seen a real coconut is a dupe or a shill.
      Roving teams of SuperSpooks roam the world, drilling tiny holes into coconuts, through which they pump them full of water. It’s a full-time job, obviously, and to those who say “surely someone would spill the beans” I respond, “Beans? What beans? Beans are an invention of the Deep State and don’t exist either.”
      It isn’t that the water got inside the coconut. You have it backwards. The coconut water comes first, and in its larval stage it creates a protective layer of fibrous coconut to surround itself. As a coconut rolls across the land, navigating its way toward its birthplace via The Charge Field (what else?), it picks up leaf litter, bark shreddings and other debris which adhere to the white coconut flesh giving it the shaggy brown appearance we’re all familiar with.
      All of the above are speculative. The Truth is so mind-blowing and paradigm-shattering that I’m reluctant to share it in any way other than time-honored Oral Tradition. Meet me in the fresh produce section of Aldi’s and I’ll whisper it to you, in a dead language that only 6 people in the world still understand. Then I’ll self-destruct. (Fair warning.)

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      1. Also, everyone knows that the coconut name is actually derived from the Co(hen), Co(en), Naghten lineages. Co-Co-Naghten or “coconut”.

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  6. I will give you my supernatural experiences of general precognition
    1) as a young adult, in the passenger seat of my boyfriend’s car on a dark back road, I had a feeling of dread up ahead. I told my boyfriend to be careful, I thought something was just up ahead. Less than a minute later, he slams on the brakes to avoid a mother cat crossing the road with her kittens.
    2). As a college student, I had a feeling of dread all day – sick to my stomach. I knew it was one of two people but not sure which one. Later that evening when I got on the phone with one of them, I immediately asked if he was okay. He was taken aback and asked why and I told him about my worry. He said that was really strange because that day he was almost thrown off a boat into the propeller. He thought he was going to die.
    3) as a young wife, I had another feeling of dread, sick to my stomach all evening. My husband was on a plane to California from Baltimore and I knew something was not right. I spent the evening praying for his safety (pleading really). When he landed he called me and said his plane was delayed from landing because there was an earthquake around the time they were supposed to land, so the plane had to go around a couple times until they got an all-clear.
    4) as a young adult, I was driving down a back road by myself when I “saw” my coke in the drink holder go flying into the floorboard ( it didn’t really but I saw it as a type of vision). I looked up back to the road and in my lane heading right towards me was a pickup truck. He quickly swerved back in his lane and barely missed me.
    My family has a history of dreaming dreams that come true, reading each other’s minds ( my dad and I used to test this with playing cards where he would guess the card I was holding up), and general recognition. In our family, it’s not so unusual.

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  7. Sitting in the movie theater waiting to see the movie Airplane, I felt really strange. When the movie started I was saying the dialogue before the characters would or say it in exact tandem with them. It has happened numerous times with unheard or unseen TV shows, movies and songs. I will often times have deja vu and will later know how things will work out. In the past two months I will have random runins with total strangers where they will ask me a question and I will tell them truths about their future and site past incidents in their lives that I have know way of knowing. I have done this many times with witnesses. I can find missing items around people’s house if I touch the person who lost it. That’s just me and my abilities.

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  8. How sincere are you Faux? Do you have a truly open mind to research far away from comfortable subject matter. All the while letting go of the safe word ‘fake’. …..~P.S. On a side note the present pandemic (PAN is a deity) being implemented against China could lead to a mandatory vaccine that will then kill the patient. A subject for its own stand alone thread perhaps?

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    1. I really do have an open mind. Too open, actually. I will consider even the most ridiculous of concepts. Another of many shortcomings. What would happen with this vaccine…would people drop dead on the spot? I do not doubt there are fear tactics surrounding “outbreaks”. Interesting topic, for sure. Although not really Supernatural. From what I read, this is a coronavirus which could be as deadly as Spanish Flu. Still only a low percentage of the population. Obviously, unless I’m looking at the virus on the electron microscope (and take the time to study coronaviruses), I can’t know anything about this situation for sure. Wouldn’t they just let the virus spread if they wanted to kill lots of people?

      I would imagine this vaccine/euthanasia cocktail would not remain very popular if people dropped dead on the spot or soon after. Although it’s a clever “scary” concept…convince people they need this shot to prevent getting sick, but the shot itself kills you. Who are they all trying to kill? Just the Chinese? If they wanted to kill lots of the human population, I don’t think they would need a euthanasia vaccine…they have all kinds of biological weapons that they could loose upon society if they wanted. Or bullets! I’m not a vaccine guy, but I never got too strongly into the subject. I do not get flu shots, figuring there is not much harm in letting my natural immunity build up. But I also have no evidence for the death vaccine you speak of. Like I said, if you want to kill a ton of people, there are easier ways. Vaccines are hard to keep preserved/refrigerated. It would be a logistical nightmare globally, and I can’t imagine people continuing to come if the shot itself always ended up killing the person. If you’re going to be that open about killing your own population, then you could just use bullets or smallpox, not act like the Pied Piper having people needled to death by their own consent. By a vaccine that they could not logistically keep refrigerated in the field, no less. There are easier ways, if it’s really going to come to that.

      Just my two cents, but I agree I would be interested in hearing more about this new Chinese coronavirus on the “alternative” side of things.

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      1. It’s been my experience that we are not dealing with monsters. Perhaps the global warming hoax is just a way of easing us into lower population via attrition. They don’t just outright kill people.

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        1. No evil? Really it’s al fake again? Slight of hand by a hand full of known elites that have owned the commoners for centuries is all there is?

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          1. Oh, I do think they’re evil. No question. Evil is a different question than this or that phenomenon being “real” or “fake”. The evil feels constant.

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          2. That is a deep well subject. I think that we are dealing with Masons, people who are oath-bound. Masonic lodges are not breeding killers, but rather pride themselves on community service and the like.

            But higher up the food chain are people, equally oath-bound, who are charged with managing the herd. Two very effective management devices are divide and conquer, and fear. You might call it ‘evil’ to fake a mass shooting, but I don’t think it is so. I don’t like that they do it, I wish they were less gruesome in their herd management techniques, but I am on the outside looking in. I do know that the mass of humanity needs to be managed somehow. I mean, have you been to Walmart?

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        2. It is just this, Mhead: Every death, every event that I have ever investigated turned out to be fake, except perhaps that of Ricky Nelson, and there I have my doubts too. That’s evidence, and I have to accept it and interpret it. The only way they get people to go along with fake mass murders, 911, for instance, is the knowledge they all have that no one dies.

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          1. To say no one dies feels a bit too broad. Clearly giant skyscrapers did fall that day and some unlucky people were not warned. People do die at the hands of these events, even if it will forever be a mystery to us which deaths are real and which are fake. The mass shooting ones largely feel fake. However, I worry about taking the fakeness understanding too far. Not everything is fake, and we might be too quick to declare certain things fake. Deception does not always entail outright fakeness.

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    1. All I did was give you an honest reading on my immediate thoughts regarding the kind of death vaccine you mentioned. My mind being open is the very fact that it was considered…I suppose that is my point. Many people would not give such an idea a second glance. I will, if you choose to raise it as an idea. However, there is a difference between an open mind and swallowing any idea wholesale. To never be unquestioning is the goal. Dismissing (or accepting) things out of hand is the danger…saying that you don’t believe basically because you can’t accept that something could be so.

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      1. Agreed, not everything is fake, and accidents happen. But “ground zero” on 9/11/2001 had been evacuated and sealed off to prevent what Clemenza called those “goddamned innocent bystanders.” I doubt anyone died that day. The Social Security Death Index doesn’t reflect any unusual occurrences in New York State that day.

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      2. Hold up Faux. I should have been more clear & left the vax for another thread. I am now addressing you regarding to the esoteric realm.

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        1. I understand. The other comment I gave still stands as my feelings on that. I am willing to truly listen and consider anything you or anyone else is willing to throw out there. Not sure what further I could say about that. It is genuinely how I strive to approach all things. With my mind wide open and free of preconditions.

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  9. When I was 12, the Cincinnati Post ran an article about the old, covered Brown Bridge in Sardinia, Ohio being completely washed away by a flash flood. This was a particularly big deal to me because my dad had recently died and I had fond memories of going there with him, carving our names, etc. We lived about an hour away but would drive out to nearby Lake Manor Restaurant and eat a couple times a year afterwards visiting the bridge.

    So my mom saw and showed me the article. A short time later (not exactly sure how long, maybe a week or two) we took a nice drive like we often did and ended up driving past where the bridge had been. I was sad because it was completely gone. We stopped, looked around and could see the aftermaths of destruction.

    Fast forward to the next time we drove out to eat at the restaurant. And lo and behold – the bridge was STILL THERE!
    In fact, it had no damage whatsoever. It’s not like they built it back. You could imagine our shock and confusion. My grandparents who were with us even remembered the newspaper article quite clearly. We asked the waitress and nothing had ever happened to the bridge according to her.

    As an adult, I took a trip to the library, researched and found nothing about the bridge around that or any other time. There’s nothing online either obviously. In fact, this whole thing is not an isolated event. My mom and I experienced something similar when I was 15. We were out on another long drive, got lost in Maysville, KY and ended up on a road that apparently does not exist. I’ve spent a lot of time looking at maps and driving back roads searching for that damn road like a nut. Well, technically the name exists it just takes a completely different route than we remember. There is no long road that hangs off the cliffs on the Ohio River around there.

    Parallel dimensions? Alternate timelines? Who knows!

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