This exchange was enlightening, an honest and skeptical commenter stopped by and offered the following:
“I stumbled onto this site while researching John Denver’s death. While perusing several blog posts here, I noticed that it is common to question the authenticity of song writers. Why is this? Why suggest that ghost writers have more writing talent than the person who made the song famous? Also, don’t you guys realize that people actually do take drugs, abuse alcohol, and then suffer the consequences? Why is every celebrity death a hoax? Frankly, it isn’t possible for the required number of people involved to hide all the evidence of these so-called faked deaths. ‘Two can keep a secret, but only of one is dead.'”
That last line is often used as an excuse for extreme credulity, often expressed as “someone would have talked.” And indeed, someone usually talks. In the case of John Denver’s death, it was me. But who listens? Certainly not this commenter. He does not mean me. He is really saying “someone with authority would speak.” But who would report the words? Anyone in media? Anyone wanting to publish a book? Such energy is blocked. Someone always speaks, but the words never get repeated in our controlled media. It is always only lonely voices.
Americans only listen to voices of authority, ignore all others, and rarely think for themselves. They imagine their thoughts are their own even as they are merely parroting the supplied voices of power.
For me, I get to know stuff. I have seen things, uncovered them on my own. And yet the following words by George Kennan resonate:
“The best he can look forward to is the lonely pleasure of one who stands at long last on the chilly and inhospitable mountain top where few have been before, where few can follow, and where few will consent to believe he has been.”
That may sound a little self-enamoring, but it does describe my attitude about the work we have done here over the past years. Just with John Denver, I spent a whole summer, off and on, made phone calls, sent away for autopsy reports and even called the manufacturer of his supposed death-trap plane. Most difficult was the thinking … hours upon hours, awake and emerging from slumber, trying to understand. Yet if I mention the results of this work, my studied conclusion that Denver faked his death, my 7,500 word essay, I get an instant shrug of disbelief and some wonderment about my mental state. It is not satisfying in that regard. The rewards have to be me (almost) alone on that mountaintop.
Anyway, I answered the critic, Greg Maxwell, and put some effort into it, as his question was honest and his curiosity genuine. I did some revisions as I wanted my thoughts to be clearly stated. Here it is, such as it is:
“Regarding song writing, it is simple logic – the ability to perform, and also to be attractive, and to play musical instruments are all indeed rare traits when combined. Add to that song writing ability, and it is a perfect storm. It is far more likely that, given what we have found about aristocratic roots of most famous people, pop and rock stars are recruited from within the ranks of peerage, trained, hyped, and given their music to perform and told to pretend they wrote it. Those who write the music are also gifted, but are more likely less attractive and unable to perform and draw attention that way, though musical training and ability with instruments is a likely presence … thus I presume that “Yesterday,” a song far too complex for a young man with no musical training to write, came from some one like (or some group including) George Martin, classically trained and very talented. That is but one example. There was some heavy talent behind the Beatles writing that music. And anyway, if McCartney wrote Yesterday, which one? There were two of them, twins.
Most of the deaths that I have investigated just don’t add up. Yes, they do hype drug and alcohol abuse, but I find that often to be nothing more than predictive programming. Janis Joplin, for instance, not terribly talented (also a set of twins), was set to have a brief career, and so was said to be a crazy addict and alcoholic. Far more likely she was more stable in her habits, as she (they) lives to this day as Amy Goodman, and appears healthy. Why do they fake their deaths? We speculate they are given assignments … music, like any other aspect of our system of control, is not free enterprise, but rather guided and used to control youth. During Vietnam, there was an huge push from above to control the breakout of free thought and skepticism that accompanied war protest, so that scores of fake musicians made their way to LA* to become famous on meager talent and “lead” the protest movement. After the (fake) Manson affair effectively ended the Vietnam War protests, there was less need for musicians, and they were slowly “killed” off, that is, reassigned or retired to more mundane lives. A few, say John Denver, possessed of real abilities (though I doubt he wrote his own stuff) were allowed to carry on, though at age 53 Denver was pretty much used up, so that his fake death was used to recharge his body of work, generating new sales totaling, we are told, $33 million or more. Fake deaths like his, Prince, Elvis, Karen Carpenter and others, are also used to spike sales, as even trash (in Denver’s case) can be recycled and sold to honor the dead icon.”
Regarding genuine talent, it does exist. I am going to spend some time today and tomorrow writing about a man whom I believe to have been possessed of real existential skill, a genuine diamond in the rough, a man who excelled at comedy, acting, producing, and who also had some (ghosted) musical abilities behind him. That part is a puzzle, just as Maxwell suggests … why did not the real talent step forward? Why was Jackie Gleason given the spotlight and allowed to pretend to be a composer and musical director? Maybe writing it out will uncover the answer.
*John Denver among them.
Piece of Mindful 
Rank (by platinum albums) in all-time record sales.
38. John Denver — 13
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Platinum albums: 13
Multi-platinum: 7
Best-selling album: “John Denver’s Greatest Hits” (9 million copies)
https://www.businessinsider.com/best-selling-artists-all-time-ranked-by-platinum-albums-2017-7
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I have never been into John Denver, but I very much like Johnnie Cash, who must be on par with Deutschendorf in sales, though he doesn’t appear in the list posted by steve.
Cash certainly looked like the drinker and snorter he described in his lyrics and I have no problem in believing he wrote those himself.
The crux is that it is the autohoaxing which is wrong; not every celebrity death is faked, not every public persona “using drugs” is scripted, in that business, which is heavy, especially on tours, it is common to use drugs and/or turn to the bottle.
Some of these celeb deaths are highly suspicious and others seem perfectly normal and logical deaths. It is wrong to project the one on the other, either way.
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Again, it is not necessary to qualify something that is understood by all, that there is no “none” or “all.” Each death needs a close look, and generally, the younger, the more likely to be a hoax. Hardly anyone 27 years of age is dying of drug overdoses, but the frequency of that within celebrity culture was extraordinarily high. So anyone dying at 27, 33, 35, 53 … needs a close look.
Problem with Johnny Cash, and just a small one, is the Zal rule. They made a movie of his life. I don’t think he claimed to have written most of his own stuff. And I enjoyed his singing. If I start out teasing my wife in the morning … “I tell ya, life ain’t easy for a boy named Mark…” I will have that song (written by Shel Silverstein, by the way) going through my head all day. In fact, it just now started again. What could I do? What could I do?
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I like the way you approach the question: what are the odds?
Indeed, what ARE the odds that you would find so many good-looking people who can sing, play an instrument, and write a decent song? Because nowadays the top talent in the entertainment industry is all so fair to behold and with talent out the wazoo. And that industry is bigger than ever. Where do they find all these beautiful Renaissance people that fill our airwaves and screens?
It didn’t use to be that way. Fred Astaire was a great singer and dancer, but not a pretty face in the classic sense. Even as late as the 1970s and ’80s, a lot of pop musicians were relatively plain (Jim Croce) and even homely (Lionel Richie). I doubt any of these men would have a career nowadays. They would be support staff whose talent was bought to make the pretty faced front-man look more amazing than he really is.
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These celebrities are created to distract AND make some $ for TPTB. Why does J. Denver get so much ink?
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Don’t know your age, MH, but JD was wildly famous for a time, his music melodic and appealing to the soul. He was all over TV, testified before Congress, starred in a couple of movies. He was among those who led the environmental charge*. I doubt he wrote his own songs or scripted his career or really held any deep concerns about the natural world. I cannot shake the feeling when I hear his voice between songs in concert, a shallow and heartless laugh, that this man was a phony, an actor.
Something else … although a very good singer and guitar strummer, even before I suspected his death was fake, I enjoyed a song he performed live called Is It Love, and as he introduced it he said “Here is a new song (that I wrote)…” and that parenthetical “that I wrote” didn’t sound honest. Why even insert it? See if you can find that among the scores of songs … that he wrote … and see if it sounds shallow and tinny to you too, like he was lying.
*Just going on memory, but I recall from McGowan that Denver was also there the night they shut down that nightclub on Sunset Strip that led to a confrontation between police and kids that led to Buffalo Springfields’s For What It’a Worth … another song that seems illogically to spring up from below, that was adopted as an antiwar anthem when it is just about a hangout.
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Seems to me, at least, that micro-targeting was alive and well in the music world in the 1950s and 1960s. Long before Facebook and Cambridge Analytica manipulated election results, the cultural war against family, community, and life on earth was well underway. The connections to British Royals has been well-documented in both the music industry and the election industry.
John Denver, born in Roswell, NM, raised in a military (US Air Force) family, was an “American-made” icon aimed at a particular segment of American youth to popularize the “modern,” corporate-controlled environmental movement. Hard-rockers finally had someone to hate besides the Beatles. What followed these simple divides evolved into a highly fragmented, consolidated industry with many sounds, but fewer and fewer options for independent musicians to get airtime following the destruction of independent FM radio. Like elections, music is a lesser-of-evils sport, same-shit-different-stations, controlled by the string-pullers. Divide and conquer.
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Mark once again thank you for guiding me through a place only those who understand it can relate. For me your George Kennan quote was beyond much needed. Every day it seems I find myself more separated from family, society and what few friends if any I truly have or ever did have. I feel very alone other than here in how I now understand since first visiting here in 2016 see the world. I am okay with this except when my desire to connect with even just one person seems impossible due to what I believe to be true and what they will never consider to be worth considering. Enter Mark Tokarski and his ‘how did Mark know I wanted or needed this’ gift. George Kennan or not I experience the quote coming from you. You summarize and express so much so well for me and your timing so many times has been so good it leaves me it feeling blessed with awe. You seem to understand the human condition and the inherent challenges of being an individual thinking individually with no apologies so well it’s become an artform for you. For this moment in time I don’t feel alone even though I sit here alone saying thank you with no one around me for a moment in time no longer feeling alone.
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I have no idea why this went to moderation.
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Again, Rico, I blush when I hear such praise. It makes me uncomfortable. I wish you would not do it. I am glad you are alert and awake, and understand that such opinions, when expressed, are often off-putting for people who have not yet broken through propaganda and brainwashing barriers. It makes us who have feel somewhat isolated, but the alternative, to rejoin the asylum, is not realistic. So the only thing we can do is take comfort in knowing others, and the Internet has opened that up.
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If I can go back to the Obamacare topic for a second…
I see your point that it seems designed to keep people from using healthcare. Just rent-seeking, with no service even provided in exchange.
It’s hard to reconcile that with my sense that they DO want people on long-term meds that never cure anything, and often (usually?) have knock-on effects that lead to other problems, requiring more meds…
(This has just happened to a friend of mine, whose issues with gout, and then an ear infection, led to being treated with lots of meds that did little or nothing for those issues, but then have caused even more serious issues elsewhere. An ENT even critiqued the problems from the meds his GP gave him. Now my friend wants nothing to do with mainstream medicine, is eagerly searching online for alternative practitioners.)
How to reconcile? Maybe it’s a factional battle between Insurance and Hospitals… At a higher level, there’s a sort of abstract concept about man as “Civilized/ Domesticated” v “Wild/ Uncivilized”… This is difficult to express in brief, but above the factional level, I think they DO want everyone’s “health” being tracked and monitored, and embedded in the technocratic state. Everyone and thing quantified and “adjusted” through meds, that yield more numbers.
Maybe your focus on the current regime’s insurance racket is just a bump on the road to achieving that larger goal? Due to current factional interests and sway of the players involved.
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I can only speak to the insurance I just ditched, Humana Advantage PPO or something like that. It was supportive of office visits, but I think I understand why, and that it is also rent seeking. Even though Humana is technically the insurer in an Advantage plan, it is still Medicare behind them. All that we do when we get into such a plan is legally assign our premiums (Medicare B for me is $134 a month) and any benefits collected from Medicare to Humana.
So if we do go to see a specialist, there is a $35 “copay” that we pay. We are not charged for the office visit. I speculate that behind that wall, the doctor bills Humana, Humana bills Medicare, and Medicare pays Humana. Humana then pays the doctor whatever Medicare paid, but wait … the doctor has already collected $35, so Humana pays the balance owed the doctor, and pockets the $35. It makes money in every office visit. Only the patient and Medicare are out of pocket. Multiply thar by hundreds of thousands of people in these Advantage plans.
It gets worse … I paid $825 for a surgical tooth extraction, covered by Medicare. Humana said that it was covered, but was part of my $7,900 max out of pocket (MOOP), or “copay,” really a deductible, but they wanted to advertise the policy as zero deductible so they fudged the words. Medicare does not use the $7,900 MOOP … that is Obamacare that imposes that. So I am thinking that Medicare paid anywhere from $2-500 for the procedure, and Humana pocketed it and stiffed me for the entire cost.
I am trying to find out what is really happening here behind the curtain. All of this is speculation. I have a letter in to Humana, and if they don’t satisfy me, I will climb up the ladder at Medicare until I get an answer.
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JD followed order’s. This MMGroup-think seems to imply the actors have choices. His whole career was due to them. God gave him the talent, they gave him the fame. And the power base does lead back to UK, then to Rome. Rome did not ‘fall’, it went from overt to covert as the super power.
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I am not allowed to post on the ‘Wizard’ thread. Fine. I agree w/Steve, there IS a cabal of families seething with evil running the big show. The intel(s)? Their creation, even before MI5 & 6 (1600’s) The current events unfolding will bear this out, as their (and our) time is up. Proof? None, the TV has most convinced that only IT has their reality source. MArk, we are 10 years apart & I saw ‘Oh God’ new at the theater.
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“These bundled bloodline families represent a sort of singularity of power in the world, so it is only fitting that their latest method of control over their now-global empire is being touted by their Silicon Valley strawmen as “the singularity”.” https://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/2019/06/12/fascism-the-singularity/#more-4418
Dean has written the books, done the research, and yet, that’s not enough for the critics. Oh well, a horse that refuses to drink demonstrates a lack of certain survival instincts. Has the survival instinct been bred out of us, or are we experiencing a conditioning override? The threats to man’s survival are real; for whatever reason many will never see it.
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Here’s more on “singularity” for those unfamiliar with the concept: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/265673-ai-sxsw-2018-hives-ethics-morals-singularity
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Speaking of ‘bundled’ families & fascism :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_of_Colorado They use symbology as a way of communicating. And they are as in your face w/that seal as can be, for those in the know.
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Good video, as always from ODD’s symbolism analyses, about Colorado’s fascism:
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The gut instincts of the ‘its all fake’ crowd tells them different. They deny there is a dread in the air so thick you can cut it today. See the musicians/actors/aristocrats place front and center 24/7. And those folk that play the victim card taking all the attention from truth as well.
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