John Denver’s death: Another hoax

[Note: See footnotes dated 10/20/2016 and 10/25/16.]

When you ask how I’ve been here without you,
I like to say I’ve been fine, and I do.
But we both know the truth is hard to come by.
And if I told the truth, that’s not quite true.
(Some Days Are Diamonds, by Dick Feller, Performed by John Denver)

memorialThe National Transportation Safety Board on January 26 1999 held a public meeting regarding the 10/12/97 death of singer John Denver, real name Henry John Deutschendorf, Jr. I called NTSB earlier this summer to get hold of a copy of that report, only to be told that they have no record of it. I did find it, eventually, in the Wayback Machine.

That’s odd, NTSB missing a report on one of the most high-profile plane crashes in recent memory. But it makes sense from another standpoint: If the death was faked, and if higher powers were involved, then people of integrity at NTSB might simply want to back away from it. They would not want their careers or character sullied by such an affair of deceit. So they allow the report to circulate, but do not claim ownership.

Here at this blog we do a lot of research of fake deaths, and on the surface, Denver’s had all the earmarks. He died at an appropriate age (53, 5+3 = 8, Spook marker*), and the circumstances of his death are completely hinky. He is said to have been struggling with the fuel tank switch in his Long EZ, a second-hand home-assembled model he bought and flew even as he could easily afford something new, something factory built. It doesn’t read well. Denver, a smart man and accomplished pilot with hundreds of hours of flight time, was not going to perish in an act of idiocy.

Other markers of fake death are present as well. Denver’s once-prolific output had dwindled, his more current offerings were just not very good. As with Elvis, Karen Carpenter, John Lennon and most recently Prince, faking death is a business decision that maximizes the monetary value of the body of work. Denver’s Greatest Hits, along with his cutting room debris, have all been repackaged and resold to the tune of millions of dollars, as with the others who fake their deaths.

I’ve been working on this issue for months now, off and on, and am convinced now that John Denver did not die that day. Too many things are wrong with the picture. And yet, I don’t think I will ever be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he didn’t. While the people who planned the charade were sloppy and while the whole day of his death seems a cheap and contrived detective novel, there is enough “evidence” to keep the myth alive. There is a fingerprint match, probably facilitated by Monterey Sheriff Norman G. Hicks, and the absence of two toes on the corpse, said to be a link to the real Denver, but probably contrived and circular. While I cannot disprove these two pieces of evidence, I will cast doubt.

John Denver: Fly Fishing in New Zealand

Let’s start with a video which caught my eye months ago. Something is not right.

The video was said to be shot in 1993, and released to YouTube in 2009. Denver is hidden behind sunglasses, hat and beard. The hair looks like that he had back in the 90s, but could easily be a wig. Below is a screen grab of a known video of Denver in 1993:

Denver 1993

Several things jump out at us. One, in side view close-ups in the New Zealand video, Denver has pronounced crows-feet and other facial wrinkles, where in the image above his eyes and face are still youthful and unwrinkled. Of course, that could be makeup and the poor quality of video available in 1993, as the latter is a stage performance. So that is not conclusive. In 1993, Denver was 49 years old. Tough call. In 2009, he was 65. The  crow’s feet and lines below look more like 65 than 49.


The other matter however is a bigger tell, and that is the quality of the video. A member of the team that shot the video in 1993 claimed it was done on Sony Betacam 1/2 inch tape. Tyrone, a writer on this blog who has seen the above video and has good knowledge on such matters, says it is entirely plausible that it was shot in 1993 when Denver was still a big deal and high-technology films would be made of his performance. The question is, why? The conversion to video is slick and contains high production values. In 2009, putting it on YouTube does not generate a revenue stream. They basically kept it in the can for all the years it had maximum value (1998 especially), and then cut it loose for nothing.

As with everything else in the matter of the death of John Denver, it is plausible, but highly suspicious.

John Denver, by the way, had three children. Anna Kate was adopted and now lives in New Zealand. Zachary, adopted, still lives in Colorado, and Jesse Belle, product of the second marriage to Cassandra Delaney, lives in California. When I speak of them below, it is only as a matter of trying to clarify their father’s behavior. They were not in control of the events of Denver and his handlers, and I urge everyone to leave them be.


The exclusion of Jesse Belle from the John Denver estate

Denver, we are told, died “intestate,” that is, without a last will and testament. (This was also said of Prince.) It is nonsense, of course. Denver was said to be worth $21 million, though we never know whether our rock stars are living on royalties or are salaried employees. He had a private foundation supervising land near his home, Windstar**. Having three children, two ex-wives, and surrounded by business advisors and investment managers … I have no doubt he had (has) a will. To think otherwise is delusional.

There is a problem in faking his death, however. The provisions of the will of a living person are only triggered by death. If he was still a living person, it could not be done. In the case of intestate death, courts step in to supervise probate, and assets are distributed by rule of law. In Colorado, when a person dies without a spouse, all assets are distributed evenly to the children.

So Denver’s kids should have each inherited something in the area of $7 million if the $21 million valuation is accurate. There is a 2003 article about a dispute between Zach and Anna, the adopted kids, and the IRS over valuation of the estate and some deductions, we are told, but that is the end of the story. We are told the matter was settled, but not enough of the details to understand exactly what was settled.

His third child, Jesse Belle, would have been fourteen at the time of the IRS dispute, and so a minor. Even so, she should have been named and had representation before IRS. She is not named in the dispute. Why was she excluded? Disposition of property in intestate deaths is by rule of law, so that no human can overrule it. Jesse Belle was entitled to 1/3 of the estate. She is not mentioned.

His Aspen house was sold in 1999 by its legal owners, Anna Kate and Zachary. Again, Jesse Belle, legally entitled to 1/3, is not mentioned. It sounds, oddly as if Jesse Belle, the product of a stormy second marriage, was short-changed. If indeed he died intestate, that is quite impossible. The law is clear that she was entitled to 1/3 of the estate. The movement of assets to Anna Kate and Zachary would appear then to be perhaps a gift than an inheritance. Valuation of the gift would not affect the children’s cost basis, but would affect the value of the gift and the amount of tax paid by Denver, and not the children.

Disposition of assets in deaths is usually public knowledge. Wealthier people try to avoid public disclosure by avoiding probate, and that is usually done by setting up trusts during their lifetimes. In the case of intestate deaths, disposition of assets is controlled by the courts. Usually, with small estates (most of us) the matter is routine, often not even handled by courts. But Denver’s estate was very large. The Pitkin County Combined Courts (Aspen, Denver’s home, is in Pitkin County) were involved, and did indeed supervise disposition of assets.

I called Pitkin County on October 12 of this year and innocently asked questions regarding intestate deaths. After being assured I was in the right place, the clerk asked me whose death I was inquiring about. “Henry Deutschenforf,” I said, hoping she would not recognize the name. She quickly said “I can save you a lot of time here. You’re not going to find anything out. Those court records are sealed.”

I asked if disposition of assets in intestate deaths was not a matter of public record, and she said yes, but in this case “the family’s privacy took precedence over the public’s right to know.” It was the end of the line.

The Long EZ

John Denver is said to have died on October 12, 1997. His experimental plane, was an Adrian Davis Long-EZ. There are many inconsistencies about the plane and the crash.

The Long-EZ is no longer manufactured by the Rutan Aircraft Factory, since renamed Scaled Composites. It is a home job, that is, if you buy one it comes in a crate. You assemble it yourself.

There has been one other known crash of this model, where an author, John Gleick, crash landed in New Jersey. He was badly injured, and his eight-year old son was killed. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) link to that report is a dead-end. This will factor in again.

The Long EZ was famously flown around the world in 1997 by Dick Rutan and Mike Melvill, with some legs lasting 14 hours. It was a light plane designed for fuel efficiency, and not comfort. In 1979 the Long EZ, flown by Rutan, set a world record for distance flown, 4,900 miles.

The “EZ” refers to ease of assembly. Denver’s model was second-hand, we are told, and here it gets murky. The official cause of the crash was pilot error. Denver was supposedly attempting to switch fuel tanks when he kicked a lever and entered into inescapable descent into Monterey Bay.

According to the official story, the previous owner of Denver’s EZ had made some adjustments, one of which was to move the fuel tank switch behind the pilot seat so that his children in the back could make that change while he was flying. This model has two fuel tanks, one in each wing, and a switch between the pilots legs. On Denver’s model, we are told, the change of fuel tanks was difficult, requiring the pilot to turn around and use a vise grip. That’s why Denver screwed up. He was monkeying with it and got twisted up and his foot hit one of the control levers.

That story insults our intelligence, in my opinion. Denver, an experienced pilot and wealthy performer, did not need to be buying planes off the used car lot. He did not need a plane designed for fuel efficiency. As he was not a stupid man, he would have assured himself that the plane was safe to fly. He would not have taken off until all systems were performing well.

Moving the tank switch to a place where it is not visible or easily accessible to the pilot achieves so little, while increasing flight danger, so that only a fool would have done it. We are told that the original owner did it so that his children could perform the maneuver from their seats behind the pilot, and also keep track of fuel. Not only do I find that hard to believe, but also that Denver would have owned, much less taken off in, such a Rube Goldberg contraption.

(Denver, we are told, on taking ownership of the plane, changed its wing registration to “NC555JD.” Again, numerologists take note*! The number “555” signals that a person is going though a major life change, neither good nor bad, but major.)

The crash

Denver died on October 12, 1997. Having just purchased his Long EZ, he was anxious to give it a trial run. He was using it that day to practice take-offs and landings. Though he was not legally qualified to fly on that day due to a drunk driving episode in Colorado, later toxicology reports show that he was clean and free of drugs and alcohol.

Here is Wikipedia’s report on the crash itself:

The NTSB interviewed 20 witnesses of Denver’s last flight; six of them had observed the plane’s crash into the ocean near Point Pinos.[35][36] Four of the witnesses indicated that the airplane was originally heading west; five of them observed the airplane in a steep bank, with four of those five reporting the bank was to the right (north). Twelve witnesses saw the airplane in a steep nose-down descent. Witnesses estimated the plane’s height at 350 to 500 feet while heading toward the shoreline. Eight of the witnesses said that they heard a “pop” or “backfire”, along with a reduction in the engine noise level just before the airplane descended into the water.

[Emphasis added.] I left the footnote citations 35 and 36 in because both of those links are dead. Footnote 36, linking to the NTSB report, is an interesting one. As mentioned above, the report does exist in the Wayback Machine.

While NTSB does not name any witnesses, the report of the Monterey County Sheriff/Coroner names eleven. Nine are at odds with NTSB. I’ll review them later.

Denver took off from Monterey Peninsula Airport at about 4:30 in the afternoon. He was wearing a bright shirt and gray pants. Everyone who saw him that day remembered his clothing. (Often times when looking for my wife as she disappears on me in the grocery store, I realize that I don’t know what she is wearing that day.) But according to official reports, everyone who encountered Denver that day remembered his bright shirt and gray pants.

Denver discussed his flight plans with Chris Hadland, airport mechanic, who said that he was only going to do a couple of practice take offs and landings, and go for a short flight thereafter. He was low on fuel but did not think that a problem and refused to fill up. He discussed the problem with the switch on the Long EZ aircraft. He is said to have requested a mirror so he could read his fuel status from the gauge, which was behind him.

Although NTSB does not name its twenty witnesses to the crash, the Coroner’s Report does list the eleven by name. Both reports conclude pilot error, and “case closed.”

Norman G. Hicks

Norman G. Hicks, the sheriff in 1997, campaigned in part based on his military service record, but I can find no record of it. Although officially both sheriff and coroner of Monterey county, on official reports he is a ghost. He signed no documents that I have seen in regard to the Denver death.

The Coroner’s Report

I first called the Monterey County Coroner in May of 2016, and trying to be coy asked if I could get a copy of the Coroner’s Report for the 1997 death of John Henry Deutschendorf, Jr. It is numbered 97-227. As I hoped, the clerk did not recognize the name, so no red flags went up. So I thought … she then expressed surprise, as their records are computerized, but that the record of this particular accident was still on paper, had never been digitized. She would have to search for it. Nonetheless, she said, I had to write and request the report, enclosing $10. I did so on May 18.

Time went by, other matters interfered, and I next broached the subject in July of 2016. It had been two months, and they had not sent the report. I called, and the same clerk said they had no record of my letter or check.  So on July 5th I sent another $10 check. This time I got a phone call back saying that my original check had been located, would be processed, and that the report was on the way.

It did arrive, some time in July or August.

The report is a 19-page document. The first page is the Coroner’s Register, which serves as a death certificate, I suppose. It lists Denver’s Social Security Number as 453-70-6010 – that, for numerologists*, contains a 53 (8), and two sevens (6+1 is the second). I don’t know what to make of numerology, and do not consider it to be solid evidence, but I do note that Denver’s death is littered with markers.

ccf10122016_00000The report states that Denver’s corpse was fingerprinted by Susan Clark, the body was examined by M. Burns, and that another investigator was A. Wheelus. Photographs were taken by T. Jenkins and the above listed M. Burns. Carl Wheeler was the officer on scene. The pathologist was F. Walker. As I make it out, the report was signed by Chief Deputy “Joe Submeier,” even as the officer with legal accountability was the County Coroner, in Monterey County, the Sheriff, Norman G. Hicks.

A word about the Sheriff/Coroner functions. Combining the two offices may be common, but in my view, that combines two functions that need to be separate. The sheriff has  “line” authority, that is, the power to enforce laws, while the coroner is a “staff” function, there to assure accountability. Most counties in the United States have elected coroners, as we need to know the truth of deaths. So, operating independently of law enforcement, the coroner has the power to examine every death, perform autopsies, and assure the public (and insurance companies) that there is transparency.

The sheriff with law enforcement duties, the coroner operating as a check and balance against the sheriff, assure public integrity in the matter of suspicious deaths. When one person holds both offices, there is a conflict of interest.

But in either case, Hicks is absent from this report. In an event this significant, the death of a major public figure, the absence of the sheriff’s signature on the report speaks to me. (If anyone reading this has access to public military records and can locate those of Norman G. Hicks (Army, as I recall), please do so. I have had no luck.)

The Coroner’s Report recounts the events leading up to delivery of the corpse to the morgue. A police lieutenant, Carl Miller, reported that a small aircraft had crashed into the bay. Part of the pilot’s remains were recovered, and Miller believed they were that of singer John Denver. Chris Hadland was contacted, and claimed to be present for pre-flight inspection, recounted his dealing with Denver and the color of his clothing.

It is noted that Denver had changed the wing registration number of his plane to #N555JD, and sure enough, a portion of the wing bearing that number was said to have been recovered in the wreckage.

While very little of Denver’s body is supposed to have survived this crash, the following items were recovered from the ocean bottom by the Coast Guard:

  • The aforementioned wing portion bearing the registration #N555JD.
  • Several documents relating to the aircraft’s registration and specifications.
  • Several pieces of aircraft, a “Long-Eze”[sic] serial S54, number 228vs.
  • A torso which consisted of a right arm, hand, part of the head (missing the teeth portion). Missing were “both legs and a pelvis.”
  • Clothing – a “dark, multi-colored shirt and a dark pair of pants.”
  • A baseball cap bearing the inscription “Yuma Rod and Gun Club”.
  • A pair of black jockey shorts.
  • A right cowboy boot and dark sock.

Given this array of surviving evidence, we are to conclude this was indeed the body of John Denver. It was just enough to be a postcard from the edge. There was no face or teeth, only one hand. And his underwear.

The body was put in the morgue cooler and placed under guard. Reports of Denver’s death were already appearing in local and national news. Since the only person who suspected the crash was that of John Denver, the news must have been planted by Lt. Carl Miller or his superiors. They were the only ones suspecting it was Denver at that time.

Given the news spreading like wildfire, the immediate object was to contact family members. Denver’s brother Ron Deutschendorf, his mother and ex-wife were all contacted.

Annie, we are told, helped identify the body. She told investigators that John had lost two toes in a lawn mowing accident as a youth. If perhaps the leg that survived the crash were his right leg, and if the foot were still intact, well, that might just help identify the body. And it did! The Coroner later reported “…healed partial amputations of the right first and second toes” on the right foot. Annie’s song was the right tune, it appears.

Later we learn that Denver left his wallet containing his driver’s license and a wad of cash in his car at the airport. Perhaps the bulge on his backside was too much for such a small aircraft.

The body was delivered to the autopsy room in multiple bags. A full examination was done on the remains. A toxicology report reveals that Denver had not been drinking or taking any substances of any kind. The esophagus and stomach were intact, and even though Denver enjoyed lunch that day with friends at the country club, no mention is made of contents. The right hand survives intact, and so the Coroner was able to identify fingerprints as matching those supplied by Colorado authorities as belonging to Denver. Cause of death is listed as “multiple blunt force trauma (seconds).”

A final note about the body – while no alcohol was present in the blood stream, ethanol was present in liver fluid. More later.

Witnesses, and the “Pop!”

NTSB failed to name its twenty witnesses, as noted above. It gives a general summation of their statements, seeing a plane enter the water, a loud “Pop!” before that.

The “Pop!” is interesting given  the lower speed of sound, that it was heard by witnesses before the plane hit the water. The crash was said to be 150 yards offshore. Witnesses were said to be on the beach and further inland. Sound travels  in in air at about a football field per second, there would have been as much as a half-second delay in sound arriving onshore after a visual witnessing of the event. Estimated speed of the craft on impact varies from “very fast” to 60-100 mph. Taking a mid-ground of 80 mph, the pop sound would have occur when the craft was 120 feet higher in the air, that is, the “Pop!” occurred 120 feet before people actually heard it.

The Coroner’s report makes no attempt to explain it, and witnesses could not identify it, so that “Pop!” sound remains unexplained. Reasonable explanations – an explosion, breakage of a wing or other major part of the craft, or a shot fired at the craft or engine backfire …  are pure speculation.

It can always be said that eyewitness accounts vary.  Keep in mind the NTSB report as we recount the listed witnesses in the Coroner’s Report. Here is what NTSB said, according to Wikipedia, repeated from above:

The NTSB interviewed 20 witnesses of Denver’s last flight; six of them had observed the plane’s crash into the ocean near Point Pinos.[35][36] Four of the witnesses indicated that the airplane was originally heading west; five of them observed the airplane in a steep bank, with four of those five reporting the bank was to the right (north). Twelve witnesses saw the airplane in a steep nose-down descent. Witnesses estimated the plane’s height at 350 to 500 feet while heading toward the shoreline. Eight of the witnesses said that they heard a “pop” or “backfire”, along with a reduction in the engine noise level just before the airplane descended into the water.

Coroner’s Report witnesses


I have placed the witnesses listed in the Coroner’s Report on the map above. Descriptions of their locations are vague – only two were specific: “1273 Ocean View Boulevard”, shown by a red pin above, and Rachel Bertone, on the eighth hole of the golf course. Since witnesses said the plane crashed “beyond the rocks” or “behind the trees” I have placed the crash site beyond a rocky area and beyond some trees as shown below:


Peter Aline and his wife said the plane flew directly over their house at 1273 Ocean Grove. Roger Rodriguez thought it came from the direction of the “cemetery on Asilomar Avenue (El Carmilo Cemetery, near that street, is located not too far from the eighth hole of the golf course), so I have put in an guesswork flight path that draws a line over their house to the point beyond the rocks. This report forces us to do a lot of guessing. (NTSB reports witnesses saying the plane was flying towards the shoreline.

Here is a brief summary of the eleven witnesses recounted in the Coroner’s report:

  • Rod Rainey was driving on Ocean View Drive, caught a glimpse as a craft hit the water, at about 15 feet above water. He heard a popping sound. He thought it was traveling 60-100 mph, entered the water nose first. He thought at first that it was a “remote-controlled” device.
  • Andrew Mulkey had been at the Butterfly Grove Inn, several blocks inland, but we are not told his location at the time of the crash other than that he had a “clear and unobstructed view of the ocean.” He called it an “ultralight” plane, that it was going very fast. It suddenly nose-dived and disappeared behind some trees. He heard the popping sound. He did not estimate the elevation of the plane prior to the nosedive.
  • Clifford Dilling, active duty in the Navy, was on vacation in the area and on the beach at thee time of the crash. He claimed to be very familiar with many types of aircraft because of his military background. He said the plane was in descent at a 35-4o degree angle under full power. He said prior to the crash the plane pulled up to 50 to 55 degree angle. He thought the pilot was trying to avoid harming people on the beach. (Dilling, active duty military, happened to be on that beach, was familiar with aircraft, and could read the mind of the pilot.)
  • Christina Rodriguez was also on the beach. She saw what she thought was a remote-control plane flying lower than 100 feet. She thought it appeared to speed up to clear some rocks before crashing into the water. She saw brown smoke.
  • Roger Rodriguez saw the plane coming from the direction of the cemetery on Asilomar Avenue, passing over some houses and then started dying. It throttled up over some rocks and then crashed 3-4 seconds later. It was at full throttle upon impact, angle of descent 45 degrees. He did not estimate elevation.
  • Judith Finn was parked in a lot “by the rocks” with her boyfriend, and was positioned in such a way in the vehicle that she was looking up. She saw the plane pass over and veer to the right, perhaps 50 to 100 feet in the air, flying level. There was no testimony from her boyfriend, who perhaps chose to be anonymous. There is no description of the vehicle, which was possibly a convertible, or having a sun roof? Or perhaps her head was positioned close to a window to allow an unobstructed view upward.
  • Richard Ellis was driving on Ocean View Boulevard when he saw the aircraft plummeting from 3-400 feet in the air. He said a wing had broken and that he could not hear the sound of an engine. He placed the crash at 50-75 feet beyond the rocks. He could not tell if it was a plane or a helicopter.
  • Peter Burshinger, at his apartment  approximately 1/4 mile from the crash site, had just sat down to watch football when he heard a plane go by. He placed its altitude at 300 feet, and said that at the beach it plunged straight down. He did not hear engine sound on descent. (I guessed at buildings looking like apartment complexes near the beach as his place of residence.)
  • Peter Aline and his wife were working in his back yard on Ocean View Boulevard (she atop their roof) when a light plane flew over. The woman saw the top of a pilot’s head as it flew over, meaning that her angle of view was far off to the side rather than directly overhead. She is the only one to see a pilot. She said the plane may be been as low as 20 feet over their house and barely clearing power poles. Peter heard the popping sound and the splat as it hit the water. He said the pilot probably did not realize that he had almost hit power poles. He said the plane was only using enough power to keep it above the houses.
  • Rachel Bertone was playing golf at the Pacific Grove Municipal Golf Course  when she looked up and saw a plane going down at a steep angle. She thought it sounded like a dirt bike. She said it was going very fast.

Contradictory witness reports are not unusual, but this is a mishmash. We have a plane flying so low that it nearly clips telephone poles, and also hurtling down from 300 feet (NTSB 350-500 feet). Two witness reported what appeared to be a “remote-controlled vehicle,”  one heard what “sounded like a dirt bike.” None, however, describe any features of a Long EZ, as shown here:


The craft is 16 feet long and has a 26-foot wing span. It has a forewing called a canard, an unusual feature on aircraft. The propeller is behind the aircraft. It has the wings with the ends sticking up in the air. No witness described any feature that would make what they saw a Long EZ.

Most of the witnesses place the vehicle low to the ground, and not doing the “350-500 foot” uncontrolled drop described by NTSB.  Most report it heading out to sea, while NTSB reports it heading towards the shore. Only Ellis, who saw an airplane (or helicopter) plunging from 3-400 feet, and Burshinger, who place the altitude at 300 feet, are in agreement, somewhat, with NTSB. And none saw the crash. They only saw the events before the crash. Only one person, looking directly up from her rooftop at 1273 Ocean View, saw the head of a pilot.

So, we either had a plane scraping rooftops and narrowly avoiding light poles, or one plummeting from 350-500 feet in the air. But not both.

Or maybe, both.

While NTSB does not name witnesses and only summarizes, it offers a different view of the crash than ten of the eleven referenced in the Coroner’s Report. Only Ellis places the aircraft anywhere near the 350-500 feet in the air that NTSB claims. In fact, other witnesses have the aircraft flying low over Pacific Grove, skimming rooftops, even nearly hitting telephone poles. No one describes anything like a Long EZ.

Pathologist’s Report

Rumors abound that Denver had a drinking problem, this associated with “a number of drunk driving arrests” (Wiki)  in Aspen. Due to this, he was not supposed to be flying.

The body that was delivered to the Coroner in bags, and was severely damaged, the head mostly gone, and only the right half of the torso present. It was identified as Denver’s by fingerprints and the presence of sutures on the right foot where two toes had been severed as a youth.

The toxicology report showed no sign of alcohol present in blood or tissue except for .04% ethanol in the liver. This is significant.

Toxicologists have long struggled with the presence of alcohol in corpses. It is vital information for law enforcement and insurance companies. A problem arises when a  corpse has laid around for a long time prior to autopsy and toxicology reports. Microbial contamination and fermentation occurs,  and the corpse can produce its own ethanol.

John Denver’s body was recovered from sea water three hours after the crash, and stored for a brief time, not stated, before delivery to the morgue. There it was refrigerated. The autopsy was performed at 9:30 the following morning, or about 16 hours after the crash. Given the short time and overnight refrigeration, there was not time for natural decomposition to produce ethanol.

But even so, presence of ethanol in the liver and nowhere else is atypical, and indicates that the ethanol in the liver was a product of decomposition. This is evidence that the body examined at the autopsy, unrecognizable and massively deformed, which could only be identified by potentially circular evidence (a right hand fingerprint and two toes missing on the right foot), might well have been a cadaver.

Below is a copy of the toxicology report, furnished on 10/15/97 by the Institute of Forensic Sciences in Oakland.


Please note that the name of the body is not “Deutschendorf, Henry John Jr.”, but rather “Denver, John.” This is evidence of fakery, as official documents around this death are not going to refer to stage names, but rather for historical purposes, real names. (Did the toxicology report on the death of Jiles Perry Richardson, Jr., refers to “The Big Bopper”? Of course not. This is not done. Official and legal documents are going to refer to the real name.)

I suggest this document is a fake.

Photographic evidence

There isn’t much. Internet sites will show us what are claimed to be pictures of Denver’s corpse, but I doubt they are real and I would not show them here anyway. As told to us by the autopsy report, the remains were unrecognizable anyway. There are photos of the “John Denver plane crash,” but these too are not real. There are no photos of the wreckage, and even though the Monterey Sheriff/Coroner’s Report claims that the wing with the plane ID #N555JD was recovered, there is no photographic evidence of that on the Internet. Perhaps it is all available in the official archives, but there is nothing available to the public on the Internet to give evidence of a plane crash that day.

There is this:


That looks like Denver, might be real, but is not of him in the Long EZ, which was a white aircraft. It looks more like he is leaving on a bombing raid for Tora! Tora! Tora!

There are these:

Those are said to be of “John Denver’s body being carried ashore.” The problem with that, of course, is that Denver’s body was said to have been recovered by the Coast Guard and divers, put aboard a ship and taken to a dock and kept under guard. What we see here is a yellow tarp.

There just isn’t much photographic evidence of the crash that day available to the public, and what there is tells us nothing.

What really happened – an alternative explanation of events

What follows is a recounting of the events of 10/12/1997 as they might really have happened, and not the fairy tale recounted above:

Sometime long before 10/12/1997 the decision was made that the public performer “John Denver,” widely beloved and having a large fan base, but whose output had slowed and talents had diminished, had to be fake killed. In the music business, people who have a large body of work, like Elvis, Karen Carpenter, Prince, Queen, Michael Jackson, for instance, are often “killed off” in order to maximize the postmortem value of their works. In Denver’s case, his post-death sales skyrocketed, and are still significant to this day. His later works, songs that did not catch on or make it off the cutting room floor of the recording studio to the public, have also been packaged and sold.

This is one reason why older musicians fake their deaths. But note, the decision to fake their deaths is probably not theirs. These are not independent people making their own way through the business world. They are the products of music companies, producers, managers, public relations. Often they have Intelligence ties. They could be nothing more than wage slaves, though the wages are a bit higher than for most of us. (I often question whether the music they write is really their own, or the product of a group of people assigned that task. I do not believe that John Lennon and Paul McCartney wrote everything attributed to them, and have similar suspicions about John Denver.)

While Denver was a talented man and a good performer, it was decided that it was 555 time for him, or a new life in anonymity, quietly enjoying his earnings and family in peace. So plans were made to stage his death. A script was written.

Since Denver was a pilot, a plane crash seemed the logical end. But staging a plane crash can be difficult. It would have to be done in a place where all the elements were controlled. Monterey County, California, is the center of the old Hearst empire, a county long under control of oligarchs. The Sheriff/Coroner’s office is probably under their control as well. Having both sheriff and coroner in the same man, an ex-military man, would help.

So the Pacific Grove location was decided. Several elements would be needed to sell the production. A corpse would be needed, and that corpse would have to be positively ID’d as Denver’s. A plane would be needed, but it would have to be a flawed aircraft … fatally flawed I would say. Who better to supply the aircraft than a spook-run aircraft company, Burt Rutan’s Scaled Composites. Did they have anything sitting on the shelf that could be used?

Prior to the event, Denver wanted to be sure his assets were distributed to the people he wanted them to go to, and so gifted them to Anna Kate and Zachary, leaving Jesse out. This included his home in Aspen. It was a taxable gift, which later put the two children in a dispute with the IRS over valuation.

The Long EZ was chosen because it was home assembled and so could easily be defective. But something else was needed, as there would not be a real crash – a simulation vehicle, a remote controlled light plane. That is what the Pacific Grove witnesses saw, not a Long EZ.

But the critical element was the body. That required a wait, as they needed an unidentified cadaver that could be mutilated to the degree that it was unrecognizable, and then supplied to county morgue people. (Most of the staff people involved in the autopsy were just professionals doing their job.)

Where to get a cadaver? One might turn up in a car accident or wash up ashore in a river or on the beach. Since the Sheriff, Norman G. Hicks, was compromised and a player, he was put on the lookout and told to notify the John Denver people when a body was available. One turned up, the phone call was made, and the plan went into action.

The plane was flown in and put on display at the local airport, but Denver would not actually fly it that day. His job was to be seen around Pacific Grove, wearing bright clothes, happy and chipper, playing golf, avoiding alcohol, in general just being visible. Since he had never flown the Long EZ, he might not have actually flown it that day, if one was flown at all. But again – he might have. The problem is that when a pilot’s license is suspended, airports can get in trouble if they let the pilot use the facilities.The suspension is meant to be enforced.

In fact, he could have merely parked his car at the airport and left the scene. He did leave his wallet.

Assume he did fly that day, and airport mechanic Chris Hadland was a real guy, and not a player. In that case, he might have done a couple of take offs and landings, and then flown off into the sunset, landing the craft at the nearby Coast Guard air base at Alameda. Other landing sites were no doubt also available.

Or perhaps Denver made an appearance, but another pilot familiar with Long EZ flew it, did some take offs and landings, had some contact with the tower, and then flew to Alameda. (Coast Guard, we must assume, which also recovered “the body”, was also part of the charade.)

Or perhaps Chris Hadland was given a script and told to read it – no Denver, no pilot, no Long EZ.

In the meantime, the remote-controlled aircraft was flown over Pacific Grove, low enough that people would be sure to see it, and then out and over a bunch of rocks, possibly crashing into the ocean. Perhaps it was blown up by remote control, resulting in a loud “Pop!” heard by many witnesses. However, the “Pop!” event was later downplayed and ignored, as it was not congruous with a plane merely hitting the ocean at high speed.

That was it for the real event. Ron Deutschendorf and Annie Denver knew in advance, and possibly Anna Kate, Zach and the mother, Irma Deutschendorf. They were told to lay low and not offer anything but grief and regret remarks to the press, and not to worry, that John would be OK and in touch as soon as possible.

Coast Guard higher-ups agreed to allow their name to be used in the publicity around the event, but did not recover either plane parts or a body. That is an indication of the source of the power behind this event.

Photos of men carrying a stretcher with a yellow tarp were staged, again out of sync with the official script, which had the body transported by the Coast Guard to a dock.

The cadaver, in cold storage, was delivered to the autopsy team on October 13th. It was already known that it was missing two toes on the right foot, so a story was planted that Annie Denver told them that John was missing those two toes. He was not. She said nothing of the sort.

Finger prints were crucial, and had to go through channels. A set of prints was taken off the cadaver, and in the meantime, Colorado authorities supplied the real John Denver prints to Sheriff Hicks. He switched them so that technician Susan Clark indeed could match them and report that the identity of the corpse was John Denver. Such an act, switching of finger prints, requires real juice to make them look authentic. The new prints, made to look like they came from Colorado, might have been prepared at Langley. Susan Clark was not a player. (This is the only aspect of the fake death that might involve illegal activity. It is NOT a crime to fake your death. If insurance fraud is involved, that is a crime.)

The NTSB report was fake, which is why they had no reference to it in their files. It was probably written by people at Langley, who would have the necessary muscle to force NTSB to go along. The Monterey County Sheriff and Coroner’s report was genuine, and the witnesses, with perhaps the exception of Ellis, Dilling and Burshinger, were real. Or maybe they were all fakes reciting a script. That’s why the people who prepared the NTSB report in advance did not name them. They did not know who they were going to be.

But suppose they were real. If so, they saw the remote-controlled vehicle, and not a Long EZ, as there was no Long EZ to be seen that day, far too high in the sky to identify.

Various county officials tried to do their job, but in the end, knew they had to shut up if they wanted to keep their jobs. They did manage to smuggle some clues to us, enough to tell us the event was faked, most notably the presence of ethanol in the liver of the cadaver. Medical personnel would know that to be an anomaly.

Denver was said to have died without a will, as even in a corrupt environment as ours, it is still impossible to probate the will of a living person. There was no life insurance, as that kind of fraud brings in powerful insurance companies and their investigators. The Pitkin County Courts had to be strong-armed into silence, forced to seal the records, and I do not know how that was done other than sheer brute force, again indicating the source of the power behind this event. The Coroner’s report was never made part of the official records of Monterey County, and is only now available electronically. As with NTSB, people of integrity knew to keep quiet and back away from it.

Denver himself made his escape. He might live in New Zealand, now 71 years of age. But like others before him used to the spotlight, he could not help himself, and with friends staged the Fly Fishing in New Zealand video in 2009. It was a message to his fans.

He was telling us “I am still here.”


*Spook marker: There are (at least) hundreds of thousands of Intelligence agents around the world, and they have apparently designed a shorthand method of communication with each other, part of which is numerology. Several numbers have significance to them, among them 8, 9 (3*3), 11, 27 (3*3*3), 33 (especially and in many forms), 47 (4+7=11), and Denver’s age at death, 53 (5+3=8). The number “555” has significance to them.

**Windstar Foundation closed its doors in 2013.

[Footnote, 10/20/16] Several interesting points have come from the comments below. Lux brought in childhood photos of the Deutschendorf family, and it appears the John has been pasted in. As with Jim Morrison, he is apparently not a member of the military family whose name he bears. Daddieuhoh notes that his post-death sales are 33 million, that he got his first guitar at age 11, additional spook markers. And we learn that divers the day after the crash miraculously recovered his ring from the ocean bottom. A pilot with a suspended license would not have been allowed to fly – those rules are enforced, so that the Monterey Airport would be culpable had JD actually flown that day.  He is said to have a nephew by brother Ron who is also Henry John Deutschendorf II, indicating that John Denver did not own that name. And then it gets even weirder. Thanks to all who chimed in.

[Footnote, 10/25/16] Immediately after the autopsy and at the request of the family, the body was cremated, thereby forever disposing of evidence of fraud. There were public memorials and remembrances, but never a formal death ceremony for John Denver. Since, as I contend, it was not his body and he was not really dead, is anyone surprised?

74 thoughts on “John Denver’s death: Another hoax

  1. My initial thoughts when I read the coroner’s report was that everything was just a tad bit too convenient. They found the bare minimum that they needed to make an identification.

    Hand for fingerprints – Check
    Plane part with the identification number – Check
    The aircraft’s documentation – Check
    His clothes and jewelry – Check

    How hard would it be to send a cadaver, add some of Denver’s clothes to it, throw in some plane parts and specs and then get the family to confirm? Like Mark said, the fingerprints would be the tougher part, but it’s easy if they are comparing it to the cadaver’s prints or if Susan Clark was in on it which would not surprise me. They could have “killed” him anywhere, they must have chose Monterey for a reason.


    1. If John Denver is not dead then where is he? I am sure that his family is not covering for him. His Mother passed, one of his Uncle’s passed, a nephew and two of his band members. Their deaths were not fake because I knew all of them. I only met John Denver once but I have had several conversations and interactions with family members and they are not liars. So where is he?


      1. New Zealand is my guess, if you read the article. Also, though we know his name was not “Denver,” it was also not “Deutschendorf.” We don’t know
        his real name or real parents or relatives.


  2. Epic! Mathis-esque!! Well done-
    I wonder about Mother Nature’s Son as the selection on the “1993” video- It appears to be a key song in JD’s repertoire and the title of his posthumous biography- Given what we know of Paul and that ongoing ruse, the video might also be a signal to the spooks out of the immediate loop- Like numbers, references to certain celebs may also be short hand to communicate within the fraternity- Even so, the song is set within an NRA friendly huntin’ n’ fishin’ atmosphere that one would assume would grate with super vegan Paul- But then, veganism is just another pseudo-scientific affront to humanity and especially to proper brain function-


    1. I wondered about that too – I don’t care for the song, it’s no classic, and McC is no nature boy anyway. It was almost as if JD was hat tipping the guy, but why? I have seen other musicians almost fall down before McC in awe. There has to be inside baseball knowledge that he’s a twin.

      [I just realized your point, that McC had written the song for Denver, a kind of tribute for the guy who had to play the “nature boy” but who was nothing like that in real life. That’s why Denver glommed on to it.]


  3. Fantastic essay. I tried to get court appearance information on a minor (fake) stabbing at my local high school, and was told I would need a court order to get the transcript (ie. impossible). That’s enough for almost everyone to give up – but it’s probably not legal.

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  4. I was just reading through Denver’s Wikipedia bio, and a few things popped out at me:

    He is said to have raked in sales “of over 33 million.” Yes, of course he did.

    He got his first guitar at the age of 11.

    His dad was a Lt. Col. (!!)

    Why do they list the registration number of his aircraft? It just seems like really extraneous detail. (Likewise with his NTSB accident Id number.) Could it be because the 555 is another signal? Or they are simply trying to make the event appear real by adding these details that make is seem so much more concrete and official? Or is the whole registration number a clue to something…?

    He was involved in many spook-front activities throughout his career, including winning an award from NASA that is usually reserved for astronauts and engineers for his promotion of space exploration by the brotherhood of man.

    You mentioned that he was not technically allowed to fly at the time due to a DUI arrest. When I read that it seemed akin to driving without a license. But reading Wikipedia I saw it a bit different: “In 1996, the FAA decided that Denver could no longer fly a plane due to medical disqualification for failure to abstain from alcohol, a condition that the FAA had imposed in October 1995 after his prior drunk-driving conviction.” I read that and was hit with realizing the obvious: flying a plane is not like driving a car. Doesn’t the airport bear some blame for allowing an uncertified pilot to fly? If I bought a plane and wanted to fly it out of a local airport, I doubt they’d let me unless I got a pilot’s license/certification. Isn’t this basically the same thing? Wouldn’t the airport at least get in trouble with the FAA for letting someone fly a plane who was not allowed to? Note that this issue is not brought up in the Coroner’s investigation report, for example “it is not known nor did I ask anyone I interviewed in my extensive investigation why they allowed Denver to fly an airplane although his pilot certification was revoked by the FAA.”

    Another thing: a quick scan for his genealogy indicates that he has a nephew — who has an identical twin brother — with the same name: Henry John Deutschendorf. Now, John Denver was named for his father, who was Henry John Deutschendorf, Sr. That makes John Denver a junior, in which case his nephew should be HJ Deutschendorf, III. But he is listed everywhere as HJ Deutschendorf, II. What gives? Well, sometimes when the Sr. dies, instead of keeping the numbers going, they move everyone up: the junior becomes senior and the III becomes junior (or II), so maybe they do that in this family. BUT: if they do that in this family, then this nephew should not be a Jr. or a II or a III, since both John Denver and his dad are presumably dead. So: could the fact that he does by HJ Deutschendorf II be due to the fact that John Denver isn’t really dead and the family knows that, so the nephew is still the second, since the “first” is still alive?

    And finally, I watched that video you posted. I don’t know that he looks 65 in that video, but I agree he looks older than he did in 1993. (Though his Wikipedia photo from ’73 shows really heavy crow’s feet when he is smiling.) Of course the video could have been shot anytime in the intervening years. I started listening to some of his videos and then landed on this video of him singing a duet with none other than Cass Elliot. The opening banter is classic propaganda for voting: “it doesn’t matter who you vote for, just vote. It’s the best way, it’s our way.” Yes Cass, you’re right — it doesn’t matter who we vote for. And yes, our vote counts just as much as yours. Meaning it doesn’t count for anything. Another example of them telling us the truth right to our faces but we’re too stupid to realize it:


  5. Oops I posted this comment by accident on the wrong post. It was meant for this one: First class, grade-A prime research here, Mark. I love the bit in the coroner’s report where they sent divers back the next day who “found” his ring at the bottom of the Pacific ocean. Sure they did!


    1. Thanks Daddie – I was hoping that others would chime in and pick up details I missed. There are plenty. What intrigues me now is that McCartney’s song, Mother Nature’s Son, was a tip of the hat to Denver, who was masquerading as Nature boy – while McCartney was doing his own bit, later vegetarianism and animal rights, all fake. Denver always ends his Mother Nature’s Son piece by admitting that Paul did it better, a curtsy before the king, I suppose. They are actors, all of them.


  6. Some notes and observations of mine after a quick search re: John Denver

    Not many early family photos of John Denver on the internet. This one is almost the only one I could find:

    located here:

    Look at the left side (our left) of each of the faces. John’s face is well lit on that side while the others are shadowed on that side. It appears John was pasted in.
    Here is another early photo of John with his alleged parents:

    found here:

    It might be a legit photo but Dad’s head looks too large in comparison to Mom’s and they all appear to be looking in a slightly different direction. This suggests a composite paste-up to me. It’s also odd that there are so few early family photos of John.

    John is noted as being born in Roswell, New Mexico in 1943. His father was a Lt Colonel at the air base there which was the home of the 509th Bomber Group responsible for the alleged nuclear attacks on Japan in 1945. The Deutschendorf family is, of course, of German descent which suggests to me that, since we were at war with Germany at the time, that his father was likely involved with intelligence in some capacity.


      1. Another IVF batch-er? Born in 1943 (allegedly), around the time disinfo says Nazis were “experimenting with cloning”. The father is German. Who knows? Perhaps they are pasting all these family photos because they have no real families?

        Here’s a matchup of Denver and John Ritter, born 5 years apart. Both probably fake deaths.


        1. OK, I’m not generally one for conspiracy theories, but being a Photoshop person, I do see a lot of clear inconsistencies in the photo alleged to be of John and his “family”. Not only is John lit differently, but there are four people in the photo, and only two shadows on the scrim behind them.

          The autopsy reports differ: one says both legs and pelvis were “missing”, yet they were somehow able to identify the body based on a mysteriously-present right leg with two conveniently missing toes that corroborates their claim about a childhood accident (or vice versa, story made up to go with the toes. They found a right boot and sock, but how does a crash cause a boot and sock to fall off of a leg before it “disappears” along with the rest of the lower body?

          Though as a huge Denver fan who as a child read every sentence posted about him, I do seem to recall hearing about missing toes. Of course, if they needed a leg to match, if the body “found” was actually a cadaver, I’m sure they could mock that up. Hollywood movie magic and all.

          But the creepiest thing of all that is causing me to question my logical mind is this: when I clicked on the image to see Denver and Ritter, every single time, despite evidence that my internet is working just fine, I received a message saying:

          No internet
          Checking the network cables, modem, and router
          Reconnecting to Wi-Fi

          OK, that’s strange… router lights are flashing like normal, everything else is loading…

          So then, I set up a tab right next to the image tab and loaded Facebook, which opens and refreshes just fine. I clicked back and forth rapidly between the Ritter/Denver image and the FB wall, refreshing each in quick succession to see if FB would also return an “internet disconnected” error.

          I did this five times.

          The first image to pop up on FB on the fifth switchback?

          A friend’s post REMEMBERING JIM MORRISON. And she wrote happy birthday, and these lines:

          “The days are bright and filled with pain
          Enclose me in your gentle rain
          The time you ran was too insane
          We’ll meet again, we’ll meet again”

          Side note: said friend? HUGE believer in political conspiracies.

          Now, I like to think of myself as a sound-minded logical person, but that’s awfully weird, even to me. In fact, I’ll be surprised if this even posts…


          1. I loved him and still do I just wish the truth would reveal its self although to day he’d be in his 70’s but Still singing up a storm I’m sure.


    1. Great catch with the photos, and I agree 100% with your analysis. I have a couple of points to add:

      In the first pic, his brother is super tall. Like nearly a full head taller than John. The front row people don’t look like they’re sitting down, but I suppose he could be on a stool or riser. Anyway, he is standing just behind them but his body and head seem much smaller than they should be for such a big guy.

      In the second pic, look at the shadows across baby John’s face, compared to the shadows on mom and dad. First of all, the shadow is darker. But it also looks painted in. Look how straight and smooth the shadow line is on his face. Then look at the other faces. They don’t look the same. The shadow on baby John looks artificial, like it was darkened by hand. Note, too, his collar just to the left of his face. It should be dark, but it isn’t. I think the shadow should begin right next to his face, not half an inch over. If you look at the shadows to the left of mom and dad, there is no gap between the face and the shadow. It just extends naturally from the face, which is what you’d expect with a light source to the right.


        1. It was Miles- Also, young John in the horn rimmed glasses reminds me of Steve Parent and his bespectacled mug with the same shit eating grin- Parent/Branson from the same cookie batch as Denver/Ritter?


    2. Oh, two more things:

      If John Denver is just the invented son of Henry John Deutschendorf, Sr., that would explain why Ron’s son is Deutschendorf, II: Because Denver was never Deitschendorf, Jr.!
      Roswell was, well, you know, Roswell. As in the famous UFO crash of 1947 (ahem ahem). I am growing increasingly convinced that the whole story was either just the kick-off of another major project, or it was invented as a way to cover-up the crash of an experimental flying-saucer type aircraft built and piloted by humans. (Actually those are not mutually exclusive options.) Anyway, the link to Roswell is interesting, even if they had already moved on by 47.


    3. I’m pretty sure that his family’s origin was of Dutch descent. He doesn’t look like either of his parents. The son ( brother? ) at the back resembles the mother quite a bit.


  7. We’ve also seen this faked family photo thing in the recent Jim Morrison thread here.

    I can only think of one reason for faking a person’s family photos, that being the person’s alleged family is not their real family. If it were, there would be real family photos and, normally, plenty of them so there would be no need for fakes.

    In these cases of faked family photos it appears that not only are the parents and siblings not their real relatives but also that the individual probably never even met those “family members” (hence no real group photos are possible). It might even be that some of the parents/siblings never even existed, that is, that they are “ghosts” or “sims” created out of fake photos, records, etc. as we have seen in so many other hoaxes. Or, they may exist but are not really related.

    I hate to mention this but I now wonder what the value is in dutifully tracing back the lineage of a celebrity when, in fact, the target of one’s research may never have even been in the family being researched? At best, all one would be doing is researching the fake parents, assuming that THEY really did exist which may not be the case.

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    1. “I now wonder what the value is in dutifully tracing back the lineage of a celebrity when, in fact, the target of one’s research may never have even been in the family being researched? At best, all one would be doing is researching the fake parents, assuming that THEY really did exist which may not be the case.”

      On the first point, I think it still has value because if the parents are intelligence operatives who are just posing as family members, then at the very least this method helps us trace back who those operatives are and how they are connected to the others.

      As for researching the fake parents… well you’re right. They might just be fake constructs of intelligence. In some cases we can use find-a-grave to see their gravestones and such, but we really do need to ask if the entries in genealogy sites are real. Miles’s recent work has shown us how much of it is scrubbed and stubbed and edited. But he sort of takes for granted (in his papers at least) that they are real. But what if they’re not?


    1. I tend to agree, and did suggest we leave the kids alone. It was not their doing. But JD, we find, is phony top to bottom, not a country boy, not a nature kid, not a Deutschendorf. He likes exposure, so we gave him some.


  8. Another tidbit I recently came across was that from ’83 to ’85 Mae Brussell broadcast from a radio station based in Pacific Grove.


      1. I think she was equal parts yenta and idiot who liked being in on secrets, therefore she was vulnerable to being fed convincing bullshit- She was a Magnin so very well connected- Her talent was sounding sincere and if she didn’t believe what she was saying, she deserves a dozen Oscars- She certainly had me in her pocketbook lo those many years ago- “Died” at age 66-


  9. Greetings: I, too, was (and still am) a JD fan – I confess to rather liking “Mother Nature’s Son”, though I’m surprised to find out it’s a Beatles song. I was just listening to the “Rocky Mountain High” tape, BTW, and still enjoy his music. But I digress….

    I read through the original posting and all the responses, and I guess I understand why older celebs have to “off” themselves (follow the $$$$), but what about the families? The children? The spouses? All they all fakes or are they real, but sworn to secrecy? Has anyone considered the emotional damage that may be caused to those closest to the person being “killed off”? Or am I being naive thinking it actually matters? I’m having trouble wrapping my head around the extent of deception you suggest (“Everything you think you know is wrong”). To me, the most glaring question is “what’s the point?”

    I’ve heard it said that public adoration and the spotlight can be as addictive as any street drug; this may explain why JD has sort of reappeared (the plane crash story does sound bogus). Just a few thoughts that occurred tonight. Thanks for letting me ramble.


    1. Excellent comment … if I had all the answers, I wouldn’t be so humble about these things. What I have noticed in my (our) explorations here is that secrecy is honored at all levels within Freemasonry, to the degree that I suspect real punishments are handed out to any who violate that code, perhaps Bill Cosby the latest example. These people are not killers, but they do enforce that code. Lifetime actors never break character, no one speaks out of school. So Denver’s kids (and Annie) would have been counseled in advance, made aware that a large amount of money was coming their way, but to never speak about what they knew, as repercussions would be quick and severe. That’s all I got.


  10. The timing of finding this article is spot on. I’m actually heading out to the Asilomar Conference Center next week for a guitar clinic. I have had JD on my mind ever since booking this trip last August, and am planning on visiting the beach along Ocean View. I have been, and always will be, a huge fan.

    Being one who definitely does not trust ANYTHING having to do with government and any institution affiliated with, I wouldn’t be surprised to find that most of what you present to be true. I especially like the list of items recovered stating “no legs or pelvis”…….yet they were somehow able to make an identification from the missing toes? Hmmm……maybe they were just discovered afterwards by the diver who was able to locate the ring on the ocean floor? Who was that, Golam from Lord Of The Rings?


  11. Dear Mark,

    congratulations with this outstanding piece of detective work. It was a joy to read. Not being familiar too much with John Denver Deutschendorf (sounds very much like an invented surname anyway; imagine someone being called Britishvillage or Americantown), other than that he is (not was) a country singer, I like this piece of real investigative research.

    Someone in the comments called it “Mathisesque”, but I would say that doesn’t really describe your work well. As an avid reader of Miles Mathis (his hoax papers at least), he does a good job in pointing readers in the right direction of unknown hoaxes (outside of the standard stuff that is introductory like 9/11, Sandy Hook and Boston I mean), but his work is, at least in my opinion, too much focused on genealogy and too little on the cases themselves. Great exceptions of course in his JFK stuff (I am still to read the work of Tyrone on that) and the Tate “murders” among others (Lincoln, Zodiac, Napoleon, etc.).

    What you have done is real fieldwork (by requesting -and getting- that document) and that deserves extra credit as for us, internet researchers, most of the time it is a step too far due to time constraints or other reasons.

    I found your blog via Josh’s blog which I found through Miles Mathis’s paper, sent by Josh (the Business Plot) and I have been reading POM for the past few days in detail. Thank you for opening my eyes on Mozart, another “hero” shattered which only makes sense in hindsight. In those days and ages staging these actors was far easier because of the much smaller higher classes and controlled locations. His Wikipedia article is a laugh and full of typical schizophrenic writing “no money”, “owning a horse”, “being ill all the time” and “a grand tour through Europe”, etc.

    Your blog and that of Vexman (which I also read almost fully, made some comments there too) made me to decide to start my own blog as I have my own thoughts and ideas to share on different hoaxes, staged events and other baloney presented to us as “real”. Will provide a link when I have content ready, now still in drafts on my computer.

    Two things on this paper (sorry, Mathis language, but I regard this work as such), a comment and a question:

    1 – do you know what this date and time in box 38 (no numerology clue here I guess) and 39 mean where it says 10/11 1997 19:15? One day before the alleged “Death of Denver”, but why is it there? What is the meaning of boxes 38 and 39? The last moment he was confirmed seen by his family or what is it? It seems strange to me to have a date before the alleged event “happened” on such a document.

    2 – your excellent unraveling work aside, the whole story is already so ridiculous because of the “discovery” of Denver’s “body” just at Monterey Bay. Allegedly he crashed with his small plane just off the coast in 10-30 ft of water, but was found 3 hours later completely dismembered as a torso and a leg etc.? That cannot happen. At such a crash, even if it were real, the body would be found more or less intact (broken bones of course) strapped in his pilot seat. Bodies don’t dismember/decompose within 3 hours after such a crash. Complete and utter bollocks as the British would call it.

    I will keep reading your work and that of your remaining (pity Josh and Vexman left here but their respective blogs are an interesting “oil spill” of research and the links between the sites shows the Elites were not able to Divide and Conquer) blog writers. Especially Maarten’s and Tyrone’s writings are very good too. The Vermeer series was an enjoyable read, comments and the 32 years of experience by Maarten shared were very valuable to me, far “behind” in this fakery research, too.

    Just those two points for now, I have a couple of other observations I may share in the next days if you like.

    All the best,



  12. Well if John is out there some where I sure wish he would come back this world could do with his wonderful words of poetry and feeling of peace that he gives x


    1. I dont no what to think..eigther way he’d be 73 now. No one will ever no the truth im sure.However he is missed so much gor so long.I think I was and still am in love with him.I will keep him in my heart forever.His music got me threw some hard times when i was young and still does today.,🤔😢😔


      1. He was never the man portrayed in his public image, just a lifetime actor, but take heart. He’s still alive. I assume he lives in New Zealand, but he could be anywhere. Once we assume someone is dead, that person can appear on public and no one believes it, ergo the “Elvis” sightings.


  13. I don’t doubt it in the least. However only the chosen and very influential and rich get to
    Do this…. many musicians and actors fake their deaths throughout the Jewish entertainment complex. It goes wayyy wayyy deeper than this about john. This is bad but trading people out while they are still alive with a double is happening all the time. Every celebrity or musician you know has been replaced within two years of their initial popularity such is a first or second album or a first or second movie . Due to the extensive resources the government has in these programs that are a psychological operation perpetrated by the government through Hollywood they are able to have vast resources to concoct there nefarious plans . Look on Google images and look at the bottom piece of your favorite celebrity or musician they will have a retaining line on the bottom teeth which signifies false teeth . There are literally thousands of pictures on the Internet right in your face that you don’t know you are looking at a double .literally everyone has been replaced


    1. Just sloppiness in the details. If there was even a body, it was probably a cadaver from a medical school scheduled for cremation, which was done after the fake autopsy. JD was not missing two toes, Annie said nothing about such a thing.


      1. I would love to think he’s still alive.Are u close to finding out if so that would put him JD in his 70’s wow I’d love to no the truth


  14. I personally think that is a huge red flag. Can one person “confirm” that legs were not present, and another person “confirm” toes were “sutured” ? I think that’s huge. Sloppiness in the details, I agree…but that is how the truth comes out in many cases. It would be nice to think he is still around, but at what cost? It must be awful to have to live like that.


  15. Nothing surprises ne any more i know a,very prominent car dealer and business man who owned alot of property and business’ who fajed his death and knew people who told me he didnot die but wouldnot say where he was. People in the car dealership.said he would come by ocasionally.He died in a private plane crash and took all the money from a realestate venture he and investors were developing. A friend of mine sold life insurance he said if a body is not found as in this case the insurance has to pay after 2 years.


    1. I think these stars like Denver, Prince, Robin Williams, etc., have to be very careful not to commit insurance fraud. I do not think it is illegal to fake your death as long as there is no theft or abandoned obligations, that is, fraud will get you, but death-hoaxing not. In John Denver’s case, there was no life insurance.


  16. Note to yesitsreal … continue to comment as you did, and I will not “approve” them but can read them. Note that I do not trust WordPress. There is an email service, protonmail, that claims to be secure and free of interference, but suspicious me thinks that might be a way to attract people they really mean to follow into a trap. There is always snail mail if we can develop trust, always a problem in this world. In the end, there are so few of us who are alert enough to figure things out that they safely ignore us.


    1. Your comments, to my dismay, were not in the moderation bin, but in the “approved” bin. I did not do that. I double-deleted them, that is, they first went to trash, and then to the ether. No one will see them, ever.

      “WordPress” is the company that I use for this blog. It is a massive enterprise with millions of people doing what I do, so that I assume without knowing that it an Intelligence front, much like Facebook, a magnet used to draw everything to one place to keep an eye on things. But it is all I know and for the most part they have left me alone.

      I have put your screen name and IP address in the “banned” list. Don’t be offended. It merely means that anything you write goes automatically to trash, and there I will be able to view it without having it see light of day. No one else will look for it there. I hope this works for you, but if not I understand.


    2. Of course I have read your comments, but only this morning. I get up very early and do not do much reading in the evening, as I do not absorb. Since they are in the “trash” bin, which is automatically emptied, I have copied them into a Word file for safekeeping. While generally interesting there are not a lot of specifics to go on. If this man is indeed JD, he was removed from his real life and given a false one, as a Deutschendorf. This would fit a pattern, as with Jim “Morrison” of the Doors being assigned to the that family, a military one. This indicates to me that these two talented men (Morrison had only charisma) were selected for fame, given fame, and then retired. But that is speculation. Now you come and tell me that you are a family member, and yet know nothing about him other than that he played guitar, drank too much, and that as far as family members know, he died in that plane crash.

      I’ve long suspected that JD retired to New Zealand, as his adopted daughter is said to be there running a B&B, and the video I used to open this piece was filmed there. It shows an older JD, but was not conclusive as to his still being alive.

      I will continue to save your words and try to mine them for anything useful. So far, it’s all pretty vague.


      1. Why go thru all this trouble to get rid of John or some of the other celebs? Why not just a heart attack, stroke or passed peacefully during sleep? All the same behind the scenes people would still shuffle the paper work followed by a quick private funeral service and cremation. Seems like too many chances for errors and too much evidence to hide with the elaborate crashes, unless they are just wanting a challenge. All we have left is a couple of toes and a hand, sorry nothing more to see, no more sunshine on your shoulders, move along everyone, go buy the greatest hits CD and have a nice day.


  17. Why fake the deaths of Elvis, Morrison, Denver, Freddie Mercury and Prince, but not Steve Perry, Stevie Nicks, Anne Wilson, Robert Plant, and others who are just as popular? Perry, obviously, withdrew significantly from the limelight for decades, only recently re-emerging with a long-awaited solo album. But his fanbase was as actively rabid as ever, regardless of his presence or absence in the spotlight.

    Could this be just a “new” method of increasing sales and demand without faking a death, like an experiment to see if simply pulling them from the spotlight does the same as “killing them off”?

    What is so special about Elvis, et al, that is not as special in Perry, et al?

    Just curious. This has my brain whirring.


    1. Obviously I can only speculate … Denver was waning, his style of music on the way out … as it was with Karen Carpenter. Jim Morrison I don’t think was ever sustainable, that is, he could not read music or play any instruments, so what was in store for him? Amazing thing is that he supposeldy wrote 12 songs and carried them with him in his head before forming The Doors. How? A good memory? (Google “Jim Morrison Oregon” for speculation on where he is today.) The rest, I have no idea. I am on the wrong side of the curtain.


    2. I have never even heard of all the other names you mentioned.

      But I imagine (wink) it is the John Lennons (wink), Princes, Deutschendorfs, Mercuries, Shakurs, Morrisons, Jacksons, Hutchences, Winehouses and others “higher up” who wanted to get out of the demanding lives and got an easy (and profitable!) retirement.

      While others (who didn’t “die”) either didn’t want the hassle of a new life or were not ‘good’ enough for such a retirement.

      And another batch really died, I imagine. People die all the time.
      I am quite sure El Gran Joe really died. From humble beginnings, lifelong user of bazuco (=crack cocaine). His tribute was amazing, glad to have been there.

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  18. Fascinating article, thank you! Always loved his voice and his music helped me through some pretty rough teenage times. Singing along was very calming because of the necessity to breathe properly.

    I noticed that one of the top comments on the Fly fishing video was from ‘one of the camera men’, John Dietrich, supposedly confirming the date 1993 and even giving an email address. Apparently he does work in Alaska…?


  19. (I don’t know if my comment ‘took’. Apologies if it comes in duplicate)

    Fascinating article, thank you! Always loved his voice and his music helped me through some pretty rough teenage times. Singing along was very calming because of the necessity to breathe properly.

    I noticed that one of the top comments on the Fly fishing video was from ‘one of the camera men’, John Dietrich, supposedly confirming the date 1993 and even giving an email address. Apparently he does work in Alaska…?


    1. The New Zealand video, which I opened with, featured a JD with more facial lines, and who I suspect was wearing a wig under that cowboy hat. I did not see the Alaska one. But I had to wonder … these videos had immense value right after his death, but were not released until the late 2000’s, and then for no revenue. Of course, this was not conclusive, just evidence tending to support the hypothesis that his death was faked. The fact that no witness described the odd aircraft, short wings (canards) on the front, propeller on the back, to me was a huge tell. Such an aircraft is memorable due to its distinct differences. Yet a woman standing on her roof, who clearly saw it and claimed that it almost hit a nearby telephone pole, noticed nothing odd about it. If real, what she saw was a drone. I do suspect that something happened out over the water, the loud pop!, and something descending into the brine. But it was not Denver. He had long left the scene, was probably on his way to New Zealand (via military craft) by then.

      Interesting comments to the effect that while we know his real name was not “Denver,” neither was it “Deutschendorf.” We do not know who he really was.


      1. I often wonder is he alive or dead. Righter way he has to be in his 70’s I was in love with him back then but he was older than me but I loved him .Hes missed


      2. Just checking in. I’ve been working on patching up some of my life. I notice you have not responded to my last bit of information, which is fine since I haven’t been on here in months. I might have a little more later on. Nothing weird has happened that would seem to be tied to me posting on here. Ummm….. as far as me having only vague details about the John I knew – my family had been excluding me from a lot of family-insider information since I was a teenager, if not even before then. I was not in on the illegal activities of my family (involving the drug trade). They knew I would be a whistle-blower. If they knew he was your JD, they would not have shared this with me unless I had actually shown a personal interest in him. It was always obvious to me that they were being very vague and circumspect about any details concerning John.


        1. I think you for your time and update but due to having open heart surgery and then intern in the county I have been very busy so I’m sorry if I missed any of your comments keep them coming I’m always interested in hearing more about John Denver have a blessed day and thank you for caring enough to keep the girls dream alive of her favorite entertainer


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