Charles Manson: Retaking control of the script

The above video is part one of three by Richard C. Hall, a British television personality and researcher. It is 49 minutes, and the first fourteen are unrelated. He then introduces Neil Sanders. The two episodes that follow are of shorter length.

I was in Europe two years ago when I ran across Sanders, probably on Hall’s show. For some reason I was aware of him. At that time he was writing about mind control and rock & roll, and was an advocate of various “Paul is Dead” theories. I contacted him (I was in the same time zone) and brought him to our research on McCartney showing him to be a set of twins. We had a few emails back and forth, the last of which had him saying that he had seen my work and that of Miles Mathis, and that we “just hadn’t done our homework.” Good lord, I realized – we had done far more research than had he had. This man was a fake!

I noticed about Sanders that he had a droll manner of delivery that has him going on and on without ever reaching a conclusion. In the PID stuff I decided that his role was to keep the juggler’s balls in the air, to never let the mystery be settled even as I made it obvious to him that it was settled.

I judged him to be a disinformation agent. His heavy exposure on the Hall show made me suspicious of Hall, who was also a promoter of the work of Dr. Judy Wood. I had not yet figured out Wood at that time, but that circle is now complete.

Since that time Mr. Hall has taken on the showcasing of the Madeleine McCann case, a young girl who disappeared in Portugal in 2007, or so we are told. It has all the markings of a JonBenét-like psyop. It is the reason I ultimately came to conclude that Richard C. Hall is a disinformation agent.

Listening to Saunders, it is easy to see that he is steeped in the official truth of the Manson case, that he really was a prisoner who was set free, that Sharon Tate and the others really were murdered. His book is 564 pages, a tome, and just from listening to him I judge that not a word of it is true.

It is all rehash. Why? Tune in at about 27:35 and he will tell you why. He says that he goes through the official story so that it can all be set aside, but that never happens. (Mathis has actually done the setting-aside work. Saunders knows not to mention him, as it would drive traffic his way. Or perhaps he thinks Mr. Mathis has not done his homework again.)

Here is my theory: Mr. Mathis has made considerable inroads, and knowledge that the Tate Massacre was a hoax is well-traveled now. Intelligence has decided that they need to retake control, and so have reassembled the ‘official’ story, slapped Saunders name on it, and are circulating it at ‘conspiracy’ sites.

Why Richard C. Hall? I don’t know. Because he lends himself to such use? Saunders may be making the rounds to all the big disinfo sites, perhaps next on Fetzer and Prison Planet. But the message is obvious to me … Mathis has done damage, and this is a containment operation.

104 thoughts on “Charles Manson: Retaking control of the script

  1. I definitely used to believe in MKUltra and all that stuff. Now I tend to doubt it, and the main reason for that is that it is often a lynch pin of alternative theories that still treat these events as real. But if Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Milles Manson didn’t really commit the acts of which they’re accused, then no need for MK Ultra, right? Unless it’s to set them up as patsies for crimes they never actually committed…

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    1. Same here. I fell for the mkultra and Manchurian candidate nonsense. And then realized it was another rabbit hole the controller’s sent researchers down. Watch all those old interviews of Manson and you know immediately he is an actor having the time of his life. And as a former law enforcement officer who worked in jail facilities and has been to penitentiaries to pick up prisoners I can assure you that death row inmates nor maximum security inmates would be granted an interview with the press, ever. Period. In fact, no inmates anywhere would get to talk to anybody but family or attorneys. Therefore, all interviews with serial killers like Richard Ramirez, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, etc, etc are all fake. This is a fact.

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    2. No better patsies then those who actually believe they did it. Have them shoot blanks in public, and you have the “perfect” crime.
      Or arrest them just before, and you show how indispensable the FBI/CIA and whatnot agencies are …

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      1. I was once a very big supporter. She even mentioned me by name in a talk she gave, which blew me away. But yes, I have come full circle now. Following the logic that I currently subscribe to, the buildings were emptied in the years leading up to the event in preparation for demolition, and the perpetrators needed someone to explain the lack of computers, wiring, toilets, file cabinets, etc., in the debris. They called in Judy. (It was brilliant, by the way.)

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        1. I am a sceptic by nature and I am no supporter of anyone but I have yet been unable to disagree with Judy Wood… She just shows pictures of ground zero… Whether they were stripped out or not, they still turned to dust in mid air did they not? It was not mechanical demolition. Is there anything more damaging on her?

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        2. I have vowed to stay away from 9/11 until we have a breakthrough of some sort. It is too big and complex for me. Others have weighed in here, that her “jumpers” were impossible, and I personally get a sense that her feud with Fetzer was staged, and … how did she get that beautiful textbook published? The pictures have been a source of controversy, as she has some of the best around, it seems. Who took teh film she used? How did she acquire it? I need to see independent verification of a hurricane that day. I will just wait … “vicsims” project might have merit though I am not sure I want to trust CF either. In a typical rabbit hole operation, they have all exits covered ala JFK.

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          1. Re: Staged feuds:

            I also heard that Jim Fetzer had a recent big fall-out with Jeff Rense over Las Vegas. I felt immediately that the estrangement was staged! I know, DUH! They used to be quite chummy.

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          2. CIA has many publishing fronts or companies. That is easy to get published with TPTB connections. Yes, Wood’s info and pictures had the governments’ hands all over it. Morgan Stanley (two huge Mega elite families) did not lose any employees according to my broker. Supposedly Cantor Fitzgerald burned according to the “Jersey Girls” who were probably misdirection shills. I’m at the conclusion that no one was in the towers except maybe cleaning people who didn’t get the memo. Mark, my question for you or anyone else is: Did they sacrifice the NY fire companies, police and first responders? If not, that means they all knew the script. Any research on that?

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          3. Zoomah, good questions on first responders. No, I have not done and am not aware of any research on them. Supposedly there were dying in droves on cancer, but now that Jon Stewart featured them and Michael Moore weighed in in his movie on health care on that topic, it has to be branded suspicious.

            I have another ex-brother-in-law that was a retired NYFD captain, and I am told that on 9/11 he rode his bike from Rockvale Centre to Manhattan, since public transportation was shut down. And, yes, since that time he has died of cancer. I have no reason to doubt that unless the plot now also includes my silly ex-sisters in law.

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          1. Oh, yeah, that happened. A guy who used to come around here, forgotten his name, Steve somebody, tipped me. I had said, in reference to JW, that if find yourself [being led down] the garden path, leave the garden. And in a talk she gave she mentioned me by name and quoted me. Don’t know when or where but did see video.

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          1. Occam’s razor ?
            The theory of this Russian/Ukrainian ex-military guy (can’t remember his name) seem much more plausible. Basically, a thermonuclear demolition charge, installed as requirement for getting the construction permit for such a large building. Triggered with consent of the owner and the “authorities”.
            No freaky fringe alien weaponry required.

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          2. Socratica: Professionals are the hard targets in these hoaxes. They will argue argumentum ad verecundiam- the argument from authority to lend innocent support to a hoax. Your skills are being used against you.

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  2. Let me state first I am not blackwashing anyone. Just expressing some doubts and you will judge yourself if they are valid. You say “Mathis has done damage”… Aha… like what for example????? I find Mr. Mathis work on the Tate murders original but not 100% reliable. Taking an SSN without verifying first if Sharon’s number was the real one as the basis of his arguments is weak at best. The number 452-74-4733 is fake and he says so and I agree… but that is not making a great discovery, you do not need to be a genius for that. You just need to know how SSN are created. Google it. I must add he has great writing abilities, credit where credit is due.
    I do not find any foundation to take the numbers 33, 47, 11, 8, 9 as signal from intelligence.
    Besides, his site has never been censored or redacted which makes it highly suspicious, at least to me, perhaps I am the only one. Has it ever crossed your mind to ask why he publishes his papers as pdf files instead of web pages? What do you usually do with such files? Download them, open them? What happens if you download a file and then open it? Can it be at risk of executing a code as in a virus or trojan?
    He’s such a great amateur Mathematician but never tackles on Economy. Why so? Is uncovering hoaxes covering the fact that USA dollar is going the way of the dodo for the rest of the world to trade on fossil fuels.
    I know he’s a real person, I am not suggesting otherwise and I do value many of his papers but you just never know.

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    1. Tate’s SSN, if you don’t accept that 8,11 and 33 are spook markers, indeed means nothing. When Straight and I were reviewing the fake deaths in McGowan’s book, SSDI was loaded with numbers on Hollywood deaths like that. Indeed I think there is evidence of their use as markers because they appear with such regularity, far beyond the normal chances

      Columbine, for instance: Happened on 4/20 (110th day of year); Coach Dave Saunders was 47 years old; 1st shots at 11:19; Crisis over at 3:30, Propane bomb set to go off at 11:17; 18 minute gap in cafeteria tape, Cafeteria video of whole day is is 3:33:54; a short video is 27 seconds; 488 students in cafeteria; 8 shot outside building; 56 hid in library, 44 escaped with out injury; Klebold and Harris enter library at 11:36; Ireland photo op at 2:38; Dylan Klebold (supposedly) born on 9/11; Eric Harris born on 4/9 (99th day of year); and finally, 13 dead, 24 wounded + two shooters =39.

      Each of those numbers could be something else. Point is, they are not. And this is seen in every fake event. Every one. I cannot say why they use those numbers, but I know they do.

      Your other points will have to be answered by other commenters. If downloading a MM pdf is introducing spyware, it is intriguing.

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    2. By the way, just as 4/20 being the 110th day is significant, just out of curiosity I added the days for two other dates: 9/11 is significant by itself (3*3 and 11), but is also the 254th day (2+5+4=11), 11/22 is significant by itself (11+22=33), but is also the 326th day of the year (3+2+6 = 11). I wonder if those days are so often used due to their double significance. Trust me, I do not truck in gematria, but that is surprising.

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    3. I’ve heard the “why doesn’t Miles talk about…?” skepticism a lot.
      Everyone has their pet topic, and if Miles (or anyone else), doesn’t give it enough attention, it is apparently a clue that he is diverting attention from that topic.

      Miles researches the things that interest him, and i don’t think he has any desire to be an all-accompanying source for every hot button conspiracy topic.

      During his conference the summer before last (perhaps you remember this, Mark), the subject of economics came up a few times. One attendee, in particular, kept bringing it up.
      Miles basically told us that the subject just didn’t interest him, and he didn’t have much to say on the topic.
      He didn’t act upset about it, or try to diminish it…he just personally wasn’t interested.
      I think that is fair and don’t find it suspicious in the least.
      Perhaps because I’m not particularly interested in it either.

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        1. That’s an odd comment coming from an accountant. I understand the difference between accounting and economics, but I thought you’d have some interest in it. I doubt that it was painting that attracted you to that field.

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          1. Keen comment by Kevin. I also noticed it and found it odd and was about to allow it to pass, but now that a second commenter noticed, I thought and accountant and tax expert should have a minimum interest in Finance/Economics. Just a worldly assumption.

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          2. I wont speak for Mark, but the initial question was regarding the discussion of the Economy, in a “conspiratorial” sense.
            That’s what i was referring to, anyway, when mentioning Miles’ lack of interest in it.
            To me, its an overwhelming topic, though, clearly, some people are eager to research such things.
            I’m glad of that.
            Personally, I dont equate someone who is good with number or statistics, to necessarily be naturally inclined to be interested in economic theory.

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          3. I have been painting a fence today, Kevin. I do not say all I think because I am simply not well-versed enough in economics, but I do think that the demand curve is hogwash, and watched as professional economists in droves did not see the 2007/08 crash coming. If they have zero predicative ability, what good are they? I also remember Milton Friedman saying that even though economic models do not accurately reflect the real world, they should be used anyway.

            The problem is, I don’t know how to describe what we have even though the field of economics is bogus. I know our currency is an act of faith, that the dollar is propped up by oil, and that by all accounting, we should crash tomorrow. But on and on we go. After every crash, we rise again.

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      1. bms/Mark: Fair enough. You’ve met him and I totally understand if somebody is not interested in a particular topic. I also get the theory of the numbers and numerology involved in many of these hoaxes just have a hard time accepting is a signalling system and I am still looking for the missing link to confirm that theory. When/If I find it I will freely share with you all if so. I just laid my doubts on the grass for anybody to chime in… As you may know, many times, getting a hold of Mr. Mathis via email proves to be prohibitive and I do get it. I am as elusive as it gets as well. I just hope he understand and even welcomes my doubts since he advises us not to keep our faith in any Guru.

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        1. La Salle: I’d be interested to know who you think is doing a better job than Miles. I haven’t found anybody so I’d be very interested to explore their work. Thanks.

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          1. Kevin: Pardon me, better job at what? His output is very eclectic except for Economics… but I get what the other commenters wrote about why it is so. Mathis’ work is very impressive, far from me to demerit it… By not agreeing on some topics, theories or ideas I am not making it less commendable. We all here (I hope) do not agree with him 100% on everything and that does not make us his enemies. Also, by expressing doubts or suspicions on some things, I hope you don’t take it as I am condemning or issuing a verdict, I’m no authority for that and that is not my intention either. Reaching Mathis via email is almost an insurmountable task. He is very laconic when answering if at all. By you guys being kind enough to pay attention to my comment and answering it, at least I get some insight on the topics I commented.
            I have yet to find someone better… but I would not put it that way, I have not found anybody who goes beyond him or his theories/ideas or that complements his opus. For now, at least for me, he is the “Kola Superdeep Borehole” of truthers, which is the deepest hole drilled by humans (sounds nerdy, I know). My approach in this quest for Truth is: what we know and what learn, we learn it together along the way. We are not united for several reasons but we go along.

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          2. Thank you for the response, La Salle. I wasn’t challenging you. I was sincerely hoping you had discovered another great researcher or two (besides POM, Josh, and Vexman, that is.) I express doubts and suspicions on everything, including Miles. It’s called discernment. Nothing wrong with that.

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          3. Hi Kevin, thank you for the exchange. I would like to tap into your Genealogy expertise, I am certain you can add to this: Who is really Lapo Elkann? This is an intriguing character, NY-born but Italian Royalty or so it seems. I welcome and appreciate any comment or insight you can share about his ancestry and origins. If you are not familiar with him or his family, when you get a chance you may look into it. I think you man find it interesting and make more connections for future studies. Thanks is advance for your feedback.

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        2. La Salle,

          Like you, I have mixed feelings about the numerology aspect of all this. It seems like there could be something there, but I guess I don’t have the interest or time to devote to it.
          I don’t think recognizing number signals is a necessary component of researching these topics… but I respect others that use it to help confirm things to themselves.
          For what it’s worth, very little time was spent at Miles’ conference discussing the numbers stuff. I think if he notices it, he points it out… but I didn’t get the feeling he feels particularly strong about it, or that he spends a lot of energy on it.
          I could be wrong, of course.

          As far as the pdf stuff, I have no answers. I’ve read all of his art/counter culture papers, from way back, and read some of his science stuff. I’ve never had any issues with viruses on my computer. If something more nefarious is going on, I couldn’t say. I doubt there is, because I’ve developed a trust of Miles, but ultimately, I’m just not very worried about it, I guess.

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          1. These numbers continually turn up … I wish I knew why. Sometimes I think it is like an artist signing a portrait. But then too, they operate beneath the surface, there is no chance the public will catch on, and they get bored so they play number games among themselves. There is no chance any of these events are real, and all on the inside know it, so after work they pound back a few beers and talk about how they signed the work. Oh yeah, that eleven there was my doing, somene else signs with 27, and maybe 33 is reserved for the big dogs?

            But the JFK stuff, 35th president (8), 11/22 (33), Dealey on the 33rd parallel, it has to have some meaning! They could have done it a day earlier or a day later, in another place, but that number, 33 … it has meaning to them. Just because I don’t know what it means does not mean I should not look for it. It becomes second nature … I am reading about Tiananmen right now, and highlighting potential spook signals as I go, but only looking back over it will they make any sense, if there is any sense to be made. That event was very big and difficult to grasp. If I ignore the numbers I might miss something big.

            Anyway, it is not easy work, but the number clues along with contradictions open many doors. LaSalle, you just dismissed it all with a wave of the hand … on the other side that is kind of annoying. Get your hands dirty some time.

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          2. bmseattle: Your wording is very adequate “mixed feelings”. That is exactly how I feel about the numerology aspect and I do respect others who feel otherwise. Regarding PDFs, perhaps you (as his close ally) can alert him on having his hacker of choice scanning for Javascript exploit vulnerabilities regarding Adobe PDF. Maybe there’s nothing to see there, the exploit is kida old but it is no wasted effort anyway, does not hurt checking. It’s not that you hard drive will get wiped out or that kind of stuff, but more of like it can open backdoor for stealing info.

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          3. Mark: I do not want to demerit the numerology work. The numbers are in there, you cannot dismiss them for sure. I acknowledge the hidden meaning and purposeful coincidences and detailed planning to make the numbers match, I just question the signaling system aspect of it. It could be just an amusement or diversion for them… can’t say. To confirm it, we would need an insider… tough call, I would say. I take your final sentence/advice as well and do not shun at it.

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          4. La Salle,

            I don’t believe that Miles gives me any preferential treatment when it comes to responding to emails. I’ve found that the best way to get him to respond is by keeping emails extremely short, and having something to say that he finds interesting, or useful.
            That last part isn’t always easy to determine.

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          5. LaSalle, you say it is not “signalling,” and I understand what you are saying, so maybe we should be more precise. I think it is that, but not in the sense that those receiving the signal are surprised. Watching football in past years, Denver Quarterback Peyton Manning when calling a play would often yell out “Omaha!” Every player on his team knew what that meant, every player on the other team could only guess. Other teams would figure it out watching films, but not if the meaning of “Omaha!” was changed every week. It was just people let in on a secret.

            They are speaking in code to one another. That I don’t know what they are saying does not mean they don’t. It is there. I have seen it far too often to ignore it. And it persists even as they know many of us have figured it out. The incident in New York City on 10/31 had eight people killed by a 29 year old. Omaha!

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          6. My guess is MM uses PDFs because they’re easier than formatting web pages. You can just convert directly from a word processor and not worry about formatting, etc. I wouldn’t read anything into it. Seems like a smart way to do things…

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          7. Mark, I got the “Omaha!!” analogy. Good one!… and I do agree with you in that approach to the “signalling”.

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          8. The numbers are their calling cards for those in “Club 33”. It’s their way of communicating with each other and signalling the event was done by them. That is my opinion. I suppose they like to leave us Easter eggs, as well. LOL.

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          9. “This paper is by request. One of my regular readers asked me my opinion of the Protocols, and I
            thought it was time I had one. Up until today, I didn’t. I can see why my readers would wish for an
            opinion on this, and assume I had one, especially considering my recent paper on Karl Marx—which
            sort of plays right into the theme of the Protocols. But although I have long known of the Protocols, I
            have never really studied them. I think today was the first time I read them all the way through. Some
            will think this makes me a naif, but I just think it allows me to look at them with a fresh eye. Either
            way, as usual I will come down on a third side. I think I will be able to say some things about them that
            aren’t usually said, which is the only excuse for adding to the literature on any subject.

            For a grin, I will tell you exactly what my reader said when requesting this paper. He said,
            ‘If there’s one person on the planet I trust to do an honest review of that, it’d be you. Figured I’d mention it. Keep up
            the awesome work in the service of truth.’

            so here goes”

            MM’s paper on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion…
            That is what I call a Power Reader. The following is a rethorical question: Has Miles written a paper per your request? I am curious to find out who this reader may be… Besides that, what I have understood reading his papers is that Aristocracy are Crypto-Jews and Financiers (most of them) are Jews or Crypto_Jews as well. So perhaps it is time this same mysterious reader request of him an update of this paper since the same group can’t be attacking themselves. Please help me out here. No need to comment if you don’t have anything to add to this.

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        3. Just a short comment to your suspicion on backdoors and PDF file type. There are more than 65,000 ports anybody’s computer is using in order to establish a connection to an external host with ‘official assignments of port numbers for specific uses. However, many unofficial uses of both well-known and registered port numbers occur in practice. Similarly many of the official assignments refer to protocols that were never or are no longer in common use’. Further reading here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers

          In short words, while you may think you’re ‘safe’ while surfing online, to be 100% certain, you’d need at least one special piece of equipment to verify your computer is not opening any ports without your knowledge / permission. Regardless of PDFs, which are possible exploits, there are already tens of applications and built-in system exploits allowing backdoor intrusions without your consent or knowledge. For Miles’ PDF files to be ‘infected’ by an exploit, he would need to include such modification of PDF himself. Or, his server would need to be ‘hijacked’ without his knowledge to access all original PDFs and replaced with ‘infected’ versions. I’m certain none of these options are true in Miles’ case. As much as I’m certain all operating systems have pre-programmed backdoors by default, which is reasonably easy to accept once you learn about Gates or Jobs being only fronts for (army) intelligence services.

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          1. As much as I’m certain all operating systems have pre-programmed backdoors by default, …

            You can rest assured that this is the case. Have all forgot the public confession of several large IT companies in the US (including M$, Apple, and Cisco) to voluntarily cooperate with the NSA ?
            Anyone remembering the “NSA Key” scandal about 2000, involving M$-Windows ? And anyone remembering the fact that the Internet is a DARPA creation ? There is no way to be really anonymous in this network.

            For Miles’ PDF files to be ‘infected’ by an exploit, he would need to include such modification of PDF himself.

            Don’t know the PDF format in all detail, but it is basically a text format. Just open it in a normal text editor. IMHO an exploit can only come from “interactive” / media content that needs executable code, like embedded videos.

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          2. … your opinion about PDFs is unfortunately wrong.

            That depends.
            As said, the basic format is ASCII.
            And I’m using an alternative reader (Evince) under Linux, which does not support those fancy Adobe stuff. But you are right, PDF is not harmless per se.

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  3. Judy Wood is from sub-basement at Langley (CIA) like JK Rowling. Kate McCann is related to the GB royals: Princess Diana. At namepedia.org under the Real people menu which blocks out the famous people who are related to the person you type in. I did not rate namepedia. It appears to be scrubbed and rather lopsided just like the genealogy so loved by MM. He did use namepedia and I gave it a go. I discovered Kim Jong II, the current cutie’s dad, is related to Prince Hans-Adam II of Lichtenstein who is related to Prince Alwaleed and then Prince Charles. Shows them to be actors like the royals. Not much of a real enemy: after all Kim jr. has the same fat suit disguise and wild haircut that the PTB used for Hitler. Same plot different verse. Pay attention.

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  4. It was a surprise although I surmised that Kim Jr. was a farce long ago when I noticed lots of N. Korea photos were messed with. That is one huge thing MM showed you about faked photos. http://www.namepedia.org/ Select the “real people” in the menu, then type in the name “Prince X” and press return or search (functions seem to be the same) although I have an old browser which befuddles things! If that doesn’t suit, I could attempt attaching it to your email. I have a hard copy.
    I am in the dark ages here with my old devices!

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  5. I was told by a former LA Cop that Manson was all staged . He was working in LA and Manson did one of His TV interviews . He called a friend in the LA Sheriffs Office and was told Manson was not a real case . CASE CLOSED !

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  6. I’ve never met a person that I agree with 100%. If I did I’d probably figure they were trying to con me.

    Personally, I don’t feel I have to agree 100% with someone to read what they have to say. I might disagree with 90% of it but still find some value in that remaining 10%.

    Fortunately, I do agree with a large percentage of what Miles has to say, at least the stuff on his “Updates” page (I haven’t read much of his scientific papers). The few things I don’t go along with I consider to be of little importance.

    And, I’m not afraid to open PDFs or care why Miles uses them. Maybe he just likes PDFs. Maybe they’re a little more hack-proof then HTML. Who cares?

    I also find economics boring so I don’t care if Miles avoids the subject. I avoid it too.

    As for Judy Wood, I don’t get what the big deal is about her. I haven’t read her book but I’ve read some of her website and seen an interview or two. She believes a DE weapon was used to bring down the 9/11 towers. So what? Who cares how they brought down the towers? I don’t get what is so important about the method used. Simon Shack seems to hate Judy and Simon appears to be a highly questionable individual himself (to me anyway) so I’m not exactly eager to jump on his bandwagons.

    Oh, and as for the numerology thing …

    My take is that they use the numbers because they think they (the numbers) have some power. They think if they say 33 or 22 or whatever in their stories this will add some sort of magical influence to the story and increase the effect on the public. It’s like they’re casting a spell or something. Yes, I know it’s nuts but I think they believe this. That is my suspicion anyway. I know some here may not believe they are really into the occult but I think they are. Maybe not at the very highest levels but I suspect the majority of them are into it. Using the numbers is just part of their hocus pocus methods. It has nothing to do with “signaling” in my opinion. Why would they need to signal? Who are they signaling? What are they signaling? If they need to say something to their buddies, don’t they have cell phones? And, please don’t tell me they are signaling that “this story is fake” because EVERY store is fake so why bother?

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    1. Yeah the numbers are a signature of the underlying system it seems. It is some form of ritual magic, I’ve heard the term ‘Enochian magic’. A communication system for the initiated? Perhaps an illuminated one can throw us a bone. Some major dates have also coincided with lunar cycles. Didn’t Pythagoras say “All is Number”. An explanation I lifted from a YT vid: “According to Pythagoras all is number and languages use a numbering system especially ancient languages using sacred geometry hidden inside the language where the sounds of the words carry enormous power and can be decoded using numbers. Numbers are at the root of the language in the form of letters, so a mathematical expression can be written as words as well.”

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      1. The Napa Valley fires: is this the way they’ll force us to flee into nothingness or (evacuation)?
        The Napa Valley fires were started on the same dates as the famous Chicago fire and also the biggest forest fire in US history Peshtigo fire in WI and Michigan. You can’t tell me that these valley multiple fires were simple forest fires! I don’t believe in coincidences and once again the masonic numbers are in play: the date of the fire, Oct 8 would be 8 for Octo not 10 and day 8, then 2017 (a 1). Eights and Ones, is a deadman’s hand or aces and eights in cards. It is paramount that we gather together with our truths. Unfortunately just like TV, this venue is almost controlled by agents being paid. I find no web sites that are unsullied. Miles Mathis is another subject who is the brightest of the lot but I have more comments on him later. . . the things that I’ve noticed. I don’t trust him either. And as I remind everyone, don’t be lazy, do your own research. Just say, “Yes, mother”.

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        1. Zoomah: I really enjoy your comments and have been trying to follow them, because I think you have good insight. I am in NorCal and also don’t trust the official story fed to us re the origin of these fires. Some of my family came close to losing their property in Sonoma but survived intact through a miraculous appearance of firefighters from another county arriving in the nick of time to set up a firebreak right across from their property.

          Just yesterday I heard that an acquaintance in Sebastopol, not far as you know from Napa or Sonoma, was witness to the sudden onslaught of winds that shook her house that preceded the devastating fiery ruin. As you and I both know these winds came from out of the blue and I have my doubts that winds like that are normal for that area.

          Why have TPTB targeted the wine country – is it because it’s valuable land and they want it? Many people are not going to be able to rebuild and they are going to have to take the insurance money and go. The Santa Rosa neighborhood that looks like a nuclear blast hit was not some rich man’s playground.

          I am a big fan of MM and of course know that we must question everyone and everything and would like to hear more with respect to your observations and/or conclusions on the MM front.

          Grace

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        2. P.S. It’s really hard to do research when there is no website that is not sullied. We take our chances and sift through tons of manure to get one minuscule gem.

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          1. Grace,
            Thanks for the compliment. I do my own research and have trouble with authority figures!
            RE: CA targeting: earthquakes, hi winds, super volcanoes, firestorms oh, my!

            My daughter is living in Santa Rosa, if you can call it “living” during all that smoke and fire. She is south of Hwy 12 which was close to the Oakmont fire. She knows 7 friends whose houses are gone. My friends are all in smoking Napa with no air, and I was due to visit during the firestorms. Of course, I cancelled. The Napa Valley earthquakes several years ago were also “fishy” according to my pals. If you check the dates, times, and latitude/long. and Richter scale #s they are mostly masonic numbers. You might want to check that out. The evil doers seem to have targeted CA too with their climate control HAARP bioengineering of weather and chem-trails which kills all the vegetation making for fire fuel. I felt constrained living there after 28 yrs. or so, due to the taxes and laws against citizens including UN agenda 21. I feel freer here in the Ozarks.

            I will compile a summary on Miles Mathis and share it. I personally think he is a genius or Renaissance man. He does answer, now and then, because I am interested in his art as a customer. It’s an unprofessional idea to sell your work and write papers unraveling hoaxes, events, bios, whatever on the same website. If he’s truthful, it’s great but if influenced or paid by the bad guys or spooks that would alter his sales and anger future buyers.

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    2. It’s also a way of avoiding “bad karma” or “judgment.” The same way they use the military and law enforcement to carry out the more “unsavory” aspects of their agenda. (Why do I keep using “quotes?”) Bottom line: “You deserve what you get because we showed you our hand…you dummy.” Imagine playing poker against someone like that. What would you do?

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  7. Hi folks,
    I am new to this site and basically found my way here through MM. I enjoy reading topics that put a new perspective on the nature of how things work in this world.
    Anyways, I just wanted to comment on a few things that I as a reader find troubling reading this site. I have done research on many topics myself for a very very long time. So when ppl like Sally turn up (it might not be intentional??) and bring forward no actual facts and no constructive arguments my alarm bells go off. That’s one reason I value MM. No comments that pollute things. I have to deal with it myself.
    Now there is value in exchanging ideas. And I also like to read other opinions of somebody else’s work. But it has to get right to the point, be short and precise. Everything else in my eyes is trolling behavior and has to be cut short. It will drain your energy, time and bring no value. Something that is expected of the enemy. I am no saying person X or Y is doing so on purpose, but a lack of maturity and understanding of straight forward reasoning is clearly visible.
    Again, I value the information given here, but there is no reason to reply to ppl who haven’t done their homework.
    PS. new readers also read the comment section and it would be preferable if there were no doubts for the reader what the site owners position is. I know what I get with MM. But it is a weak postion if just anybody can show up and question something with no arguments and that position is allowed to be as valuable as evidence based facts. Emotions and opinions are no arguments!

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    1. Miles doesn’t think he’s better than us (actually, he probably does), but he is. These comment sections are nothing but circle jerks, total waste of time and effort, and I’ve been a jerk for participating. Thanks for your wise observation, Tom. I have now officially retired and will never look back.

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      1. Tom: Not sure if the comment was referencing me, but Sally is good enough for me to chime in… because I have something important to add: you wrote “and bring forward no actual facts and no constructive arguments my alarm bells go off”… Like what for example? All you do is write/talk about are generalities, that makes MY alarm go ON. I strive for constructive commenting, because I expect the same in return and most commenters here have done so: bmseattle, Mark, Kevin Starr, calgacus. I value their input back. I do not pretend to know everything. For sure some commenters make alarms go ON but it is just that an alarm is alerting you… it is not telling you to stop doing what you are doing, just be careful enough the ANALYZE with reason and logic, face your doubts, keep asking questions. I got this useful quote from Feynman a few time back: “I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned.”. I get the impression you are turned off by some expressing some legitimate doubts, but those are just that, doubts, not accusing, condemning anyone. A few months ago I had my qualms about Josh… not anymore. I have fully researched him and I am OK with him, even though by me expressing doubts about his personna I am sure he considers me his enemy, that is fine, I do not take it personal.
        Let me deconstruct some of your relevant and constructive sentences:
        “Now there is value in exchanging ideas”… very charming, you should have added “as long as those ideas do not contradict mine!”
        “I also like to read other opinions of somebody else’s work.But it has to get right to the point, be short and precise” What?? I tweet works for you?
        “Everything else in my eyes is trolling behavior” Wow! Very sensitive eyes you have!
        “It will drain your energy, time and bring no value.” Good appeal to emotions here Tom. I bet you already knew PDF files can be infected with Javascript code that run an exploit and this did not bring you value.
        “lack of maturity and understanding of straight forward reasoning is clearly visible” thank you for providing plenty evidence or supporting facts of what you are stating. thank you.
        I could go on but I think you get my point and don’t want to be disrispectful to the writers hosting this forum taking more space. I am no MM but I take a backseat to no one in my mind.
        I consider Miles Mathis a conspicuous researcher, I publicly express my admiration but he is not the last word, I am sure if I published my works he would think the same of me (not being the last word, if he ever were going to read me anyway). The problem I’ve found in the truther community is that we let our differences separate/divide us, weaken us. TPTB on the contrary, they use their differences to make them stronger and more united most of the time.

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        1. Oh, and a final tip for new readers, rookie truthers, agents, shills, spooks or whoever read this comment: If you venture to comment on blogs or forums like this one or similar… expect anything. Be prepared to take the good with the bad and you know the bad is coming so you prepare for it. Some participants will be legit, some others will ignore you, some more will be trolls, others very kind and willing to exchange ideas, others funny, others clueless…oh and the skeptic ones, that’s fine. How to know their intentions? That is on YOU to exercise discernment. Read, read a lot, lear form others. You do not have to be wise or have an IQ on par with MM, just be a good observer and learn from others’ mistakes and if you are lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time your life is pretty much bathed in success… whatever definition of success works for you. Molto Grazie!!

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        2. La Salle. Give me your strongest points where you see MM failing. It’s definitely not about using PDFs. Let’s pretend he works for TPTB. His papers make a hell lot of more sense than anything you hear and read anywhere else. Even his Hitler paper, where the Alt Right thinks Hitler is their man, when in reality he was a traitor. Hitler made too many unexplained military errors which in retrospect only make sense when he indeed was an agent. Even his rise from poverty to superstardom, you only get that in Hollywood. We are talking about aristocratic Europe, especially Austria at that time. Either you were born into it (even leaving out the jewish question) or you were a peasant. And he wasn’t a beautiful chick that could marry up into higher society either. Wasn’t that also the main reason why Europeans fled to America, to live in freedom? No way to go from begging to Chancellor. Not back then, not now.
          And then Kennedy. I always wondered why ppl think he was great. His looks? And he is from the same family that A) helped finance Nazi Germany and B) had a family member labotomized according to mainstream history. Not to mention the family ties to the mafia. Pretty awful for a glamorous fam if you ask me. It was the old game of good cop vs bad cop or Good Prez vs Bad Prez. A divide and conquer game.
          So my point is, instead of argueing about minor details we should at some point catch up with the present and take our lives back. That’s why I’m in for it. I wanna know the basics of what the lies were and how to correct them for the future. In the end you can make just one decision you accept something as true or not true. And I have yet to see evidence that proves MM main theory false. His arguments have a colossal weight. And I’m not talking as a fan boy. His theories would still be valid even if he himself was fake, a pedophile, tranny or part of the Club. Arguments stand for themselves no matter who puts them out or talks about them.

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      2. I am talking from my own experience. 90% of forum talk is just about garbage and it gets annoying to have to read through all the nonsense too.

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        1. Even if you think you are that good and beyond all the nonsense… I am talking from my own experience. There are gems to be found here and there and over there. If you know where, how and what to search, you find some very valuable insight. Comments section enrich a post/article even if by 1%. Even if you are Isaac Newton you should be open to others input and feedback. Let me recommend the article about 3 Jews 3: Freud, Marx and Einstein from Mr. McCloskey from a few months back. I bet you know how to find it.

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          1. Another thing I value from POM and MT is that they allow respectful comments even if they disagree with or contradict the post/topic of the article published. You don’t get that with MM. This isn’t a critic or attack to MM, just my opinion. The article he wrote back in Feb was very bashful press to this site, even some writers distanced from it but POM has its value in its own right. It may be puzzling for newbies and disinfo agents, but many great minds keep coming back to this humble corner.

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      3. Kevin, your attitude is probably not the best. First I hope that Mathis doesn’t have the attitude expressed by the words “he’s better than us”. Yes a virtuous man can be called a superior man, and a virtuous man probably knows that he is virtuous. But a virtuous man is probably not arrogant. And I would also say that you cannot say that a virtuous man is a better man than another virtuous man. I assume that Mathis is a virtuous man that has a message for other virtuous people that seek the truth. Why bother to write if you assume all your readers are vicious or not interested in truth.
        Many people that are pro-Mathis or at least aware of him visited this blog. This blog is not about Mathis, but the Mathis connection probably brought a few more aware visitors to this blog. If Mathis is virtuous, I assume that people interested in his ideas are mostly virtuous people. Exchanging a few ideas with people that seem virtuous is not necessary a waste of time. I believe that you are the guy that wrote a few papers that Mathis published, so maybe you can use the energy to write other papers instead of commenting on this blog. But I don’t believe it is fair to classify all discussions as “circle jerks”.

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        1. Things can get a little heated, people become frustrated. Lord knows I have written things that need to go away, more likely late in the evening than early in the morning. As my first boss used to tell me when I fucked up, “everyone is entitled to one.” Of course he didn’t add, as it went without saying “… each day.”

          Mathis is as close as I have ever come to a brain suspended in a jar. He makes mistakes, but those mistakes are not discussed on his site, as he does not entertain comments. He does take private emails, but it is a fast sifting process where he lightly skims, so that the feedback process is only as good as his mental abilities to absorb and separate wheat from chaffe in rapid motion. That said, his mental abilities cannot be taken lightly. He is a very intelligent man.

          The danger is self-fulfilling evidence. Others have noted that he makes connections with names without due diligence, merely assuming relations and altered spellings. Having made this same mistake myself with face splitting, I regard it as dangerous. I have qualms about spouting off numerical clues for the same reason. I have come to the conclusion that all mass shootings are fake, and so jumped into the Denver fracas with that assumption, never looking for evidence that it might really have happened.

          I’ve been reading Duesberg’s “Inventing the Aids Virus,” and am deeply impressed by the “Koch Postulates,” long abandoned by our corrupt medical establishment. I think that we need here a set of postulates for determining whether an event is fake or real. It has to supercede the “well everything before was fake, so this is too” reasoning I now use.

          We have some excellent minds here in writers and commenters, so can we make this happen? I offer a first postulate of a fake event: The evidence in favor of the event being real is never publicly examined in an adversarial setting.

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        2. Yes calgacus, I made an unfair blanket statement. I have a great respect for this particular community of commentators. What I so clumsily expressed was frustration with MY commenting abilities. It’s not my natural milieu. As you state, my energy should be put to better use elsewhere. I will now return to obscurity leaving that final “jerky” statement as my last gasp. I hope you’re able to find this decision to be at least partially virtuous.

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      4. “This paper is by request. One of my regular readers asked me my opinion of the Protocols, and I
        thought it was time I had one. Up until today, I didn’t. I can see why my readers would wish for an
        opinion on this, and assume I had one, especially considering my recent paper on Karl Marx—which
        sort of plays right into the theme of the Protocols. But although I have long known of the Protocols, I
        have never really studied them. I think today was the first time I read them all the way through. Some
        will think this makes me a naif, but I just think it allows me to look at them with a fresh eye. Either
        way, as usual I will come down on a third side. I think I will be able to say some things about them that
        aren’t usually said, which is the only excuse for adding to the literature on any subject.

        For a grin, I will tell you exactly what my reader said when requesting this paper. He said,
        ‘If there’s one person on the planet I trust to do an honest review of that, it’d be you. Figured I’d mention it. Keep up
        the awesome work in the service of truth.’

        so here goes”

        MM’s paper on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion…
        That is what I call a Power Reader. The following is a rethorical question: Has Miles written a paper per your request? I am curious to find out who this reader may be… Besides that, what I have understood reading his papers is that Aristocracy are Crypto-Jews and Financiers (most of them) are Jews or Crypto_Jews as well. So perhaps it is time this same mysterious reader request of him an update of this paper since the same group can’t be attacking themselves. Please help me out here. No need to comment if you don’t have anything to add to this.

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        1. You can read the Dreyfus paper to see fake antisemitism http://mileswmathis.com/dreyfus.pdf . Even Wilhelm 2 talked about Jews and Freemasons. But at the same time these fake antisemites blackwash the subjects they talk about. For example Wilhelm talked about Freemasons and Jews but at the same time he is portrayed as somebody who wanted to conquer Europe or other countries in general. So who can trust an evil man that wants to conquer the world.
          I will probably read the protocols in the future to get a better understanding. I assume the Protocols had things inserted that can be easily refuted. It seems to be connected to the Black Hundreds movements, which looks like a psyop (them against fake communists in order to polarize and agitate the population). I also assume that the protocols mention real methods as an inside joke. The joke is protected by caricatures that surround the joke and by the fact that the protocols are promoted by dubious characters or groups like the Black Hundreds. The Protocols now act as historical antecedents. When real truth seekers point out some things, their writings are compared to the Protocols.

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  8. The thing with Charles Manson is his Swastika on his forehead, it changes in size and appearance in photos – he’s supposed to have ‘carved’ it into his forehead. That was the first thing that struck me while reading Miles’ Tate Murders pdf. Similarly, after reading Miles’ Elvis paper, the thing that got me was my remembering that Elvis used to dye his hair black, explanation: the Presley twins had different shades of blond hair. It’s like knowing there’s something odd but you can’t put your finger on it, then Miles comes along and…bingo!

    I save webpages as pdfs so I don’t have loads of folders full of crap with every html.

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  9. La Salle, if you want to study the scams behind the economy you can start with the panic of 1825. According to wiki “The panic has been referred to as the first modern economic crisis not attributable to an external event, such as a war, and thus the start of modern economic cycles”. The scam of 1825 involved among many things investments in the imaginary Latin American country called Poyais.
    If you want to know some of Miles’ opinions regarding the economy or bitcoin you can read his Max Keiser paper http://mileswmathis.com/max.pdf . On his Lizzie Borden paper he talks about the panic of 1893.
    Maybe you can also read about Ivar Kreuger who probably faked his suicide https://www.ft.com/content/b3a1abc2-195c-11de-9d34-0000779fd2ac.

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    1. calgacus, thank you for the info and links. The crash of 1825 is a good reference. The earliest I had studied is the events from XVII siecle Netherlands and Scotland. In particular, the Dutch Tulip mania and the Darien Scheme in Scotland and later another scot, John Law, the Duc D’Orleans in convoluted XVIII France. For amusement, I am reading “The Coffee Trader” by David Liss. You might find that an interesting reading as well.

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    2. calgacus, I took the time to read the Max Keiser paper you linked. I have something to say about it, but I would like your input (other readers are welcome too) first. The closing paragraph says:

      “If you really wish to outsmart these people, quit buying all their garbage and quit falling for their
      schemes. Quit believing their stories. And build your life on some non-economic basis. Instead of
      thinking how to make money or fool the authorities, try thinking how you can do something a bit more
      meaningful and lost-lasting. Consider how you can do something that needs to be done. Consider how
      you can become a bigger person, and a greater soul. Talking about economics or thinking about money
      will never get you there. If you do that, you are just a smaller version of those you claim to detest. ”

      What is your opinion on it? Agree 100%, somewhat agree, if so, why? I value your comments as well as anybody else that want to chime in.

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      1. I mostly agree with the attitude expressed in the quote. I would say that it is hard for most people to be non-economic since that would require a house and a big garden to grow your own food. I would also say that you can do something meaningful and get paid for it. Also I believe that you should have an understanding of economic mechanisms (or at least be aware of them). For example Bitcoin and similar blockchain technology is probably a beta test for a future global monetary system. Mathis also discussed the suspicious origins of Bitcoin. Nonetheless, it would not hurt you to know how to use bitcoin. Even if you are aware of the scams, it would be useful to know how to use bitcoin, stocks, bonds, gold and other financial instruments in order to shield your economic situation (probably using a diversification strategy). Again, it is more important to learn how to become more self-reliant than knowing these economic tricks.
        An example of a person that “falls for their schemes” is a day trader. I feel that a day trader jumps directly in the mouth of the financial dragon. But if you are a day trader because you know the game and it will help you to become self-reliant in the future, than I have all the respect (every hero must go through hell, underground or difficulties in order to achieve his goals). My final message is don’t be a bitcoin or gold worshiper, but it would be useful to know the basics about them.

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  10. I am a demolition contractor and her theory is the only one i have heard that fits the evidence… Can anyone provide anything suspicious about her… I am more interested to hear of anyone who can cast doubt on her observations? Anything?

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    1. s0cratica,

      Like Mark I’m suspicious of her role in explaining away the absence of office equipment and furniture and fittings in the debris/rubble.

      The glaring absence of e.g. toilets, IT infrastructure etc. suggest that the towers were gradually gutted and emptied prior to 09-11-2001.

      Would DEW selectively obliterate such signs of human habitation?

      Where did the towers go? One might ask, but the Mark Tokarski/Fakeologist/Cluesforum position is that the towers did not go in one go.

      I subscribe to that position as well.

      Without going into too much detail I think the name “Dr. Judy Wood” when examined in context and in light of the foregoing – show signs of being an intel fabrication.

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      1. Yet no photos of a normal looking controlled demo has come to
        light , if you say they completely controlled the ground zero area ,
        I would say look at the surrounding building’s view of GZ , yet
        no one took a pic with their hot new 4 megapixle DigiCam ?
        From the Zerizon bldg. or the US Post off. ?
        What Wood does not include is that the creators of the buildings
        knew they would destroy it , also knew when , imo .
        Also , if you look at just one aspect of Sept 11th it’s the
        Duestche bank building next door . Something ‘ etched ‘
        a crease into the side of this structure and years later
        they had to tear it down , because it was rusting .
        The damage was out there in the open for anyone
        to photograph , so how was that damage a cgi or
        photoshoped . Are those my two choices , falling debris
        or totally fake .

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        1. Simon Sez is not working for me on this one .
          I appreciate his efforts but I want more logical answers .

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bank_Building

          Now this is my observation while not looking at Woods work .
          Look at the two pics of the damage on the wiki page
          the earlier one doesn’t seem to have the WTC piece of steel
          ‘wheatchex’ stuck on the building side , while the later looks
          like the wheatchex is photoshopped onto the damage .
          It pixelates more when enlarged. Is it casting a
          shadow ?
          Why would they not setup fakery without all the ambiguous
          images ? Like a normal looking debris pile ?
          I’m still on the razor without going through .

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    2. I’ve read Judy wood’s book and it is propaganda. She lists first responder witnesses with a name but often not a complete ID ENT or fire eng. #. in many instances you don’t know if the guy is a police or fireman. Then there is almost a whole chapter on “Jumpers”. That is what I wanted to research since it is easy to fake video and stills. I read The Twin Towers book by Eric Darton (?) written long before 2001. It gives details on the building of the twin towers.The buildings was hermetically sealed and there were only glass panels 22 inches X 7 ft. for decoration, not working windows. The top was kept locked. Therefore, people could not jump out of these towers. This propaganda is to muddy the waters and divide the truth movement. Also you can see another one of my Judy Wood comments in some other subjects on this site if you do a search.

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      1. Dr. Judy Wood, but I never would.

        Will give her props though — there’s been a LOT of energy directed at US since 9-11, no?

        I think the REAL towers actually launched into outer space and they just strewed some smoldering scrap iron to look like debris from their destruction.

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  11. So… Everyone thinks Judy Wood is disinformation based on their feelings… No evidence, no theories… Just your feelings… Fuck the toilets and the hurricane…. What about a building turning to dust in mid air… If nobody has the first clue, why discredit the individual? It would seem all is not well at POM

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    1. No, based on Occam’s Razor (the introduction of unnecessary elements in a theory – those Alien Space Beam Weapons).

      What about a building turning to dust in mid air…

      See Dmitri Khalezov’s theory, that explains it with earthly technology.
      Adding fantastical stuff like like space beam weapons makes her an equivalent to the flat-earthers. Dragging all people in the mud who demand a re-investigation of 9/11.

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    2. I read her book and ate it up starting in about 2014 or earlier – I’d have to go look. I cannot prove she is disinfo, but came around to that suspicion when in the ensuing years I noticed that all of the big scare events had no real victims. Could it be possible, I wondered, for an event of the magnitude of 911, that it too had no victims? At that point I backed away from Wood. I have operated on the assumption that there is some large “vicsim” operation going on, but I don’t know that. Maybe that too is misdirection. I have lingering distrust of September Clues and Clues Forum for the simple reason that they are well known and publicized in the “truther” community, meaning to me they are sanctioned. Censorship in this country is devastatingly effective, and made so because most are unaware of its pervasiveness.

      My only piece of anecdotal evidence, but real, is a former brother-in-law who worked for Morgan Stanley in 2001. I was under the impression he worked in the Twin Towers. So I immediately called my ex-wife on that day to find out if Michael was OK. Yes, she said, he was late in going to work that morning, and so miraculously avoided the event. Now I wonder, did he avoid the event, or did he work somewhere else?

      But then I had to wonder, is it possible that the entirety of the Morgan Stanley office was moved, and that all were made to sign confidentiality agreements? The same with every other major corporate office, American Airlines for one. The theory is that the 1993 bombing was used as the catalyst to begin slow evacuation and preparation for demolition. Even in a time when we have completely controlled news, that is a monstrous thing to keep secret.

      Since I am speculating and have willingly withdrawn from any research or following that of others, I merely offer the opinion that if there is truth in my words above, then they had to explain the absence of computers, file cabinets, plumbing and wiring in the debris, and that Dr. Wood was brought in for that purpose.

      With that, I leave it to you, socratica, to do something that all serious thinkers are forced to do: Challenge your own hypothesis. If you do that, and fail, then you have a defensible thesis. Right now I would call all of her evidence, photos, film, testimony, cars, hurricane, magnetic field, that oddball Canadian guy, into question. Try to prove its value by trying to disprove it.

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    3. s0cratica,
      I value your contributions but my suspicions of Judy Wood are based on sound reasoning and intuition.
      Also I am a very arrogant man and am reluctant to outsource my judgement to the expertise of others.

      That said, I defer to your knowledge of demolition.

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    4. sOcratica:

      Buildings turning to dust in mid air? Sure about that? Yes, I know, you “saw” it on tv…

      They can show you anything on tv. Doesn’t necessarily reflect reality. They showed me planes fly through buildings with the nose still intact when it came out the other side.

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  12. Being an ex Napan from Napa Valley, I noticed TPTB (The Powers That Be) dragged in “Dr. Judy Wood” to enlighten Napans on the fires while people were still stunned from losing neighbors and homes. Awful disinformation.

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      1. I’ve gradually unloaded these “experts”: David Icke who appears to be Richard Branson, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Patricia Steere, Eric DuBay, James Colbert, Webster Tarplay, Jim Marrs, Jeran Campanella. The guy who really fooled me was Brian Mullin, a low-key nerdy engineer doing equations to disprove Flat Earth. I realized Mullins was a hoax family name! Oh, that guy who swallowed plutonium and then gave the triangle hand sign.

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    1. I would guess that at age 83, he really died now. He’s had a good life, never went to prison, walked freely among us, since people do not look for people who are supposedly in jail. His marriage license (the absurdity of a convicted murderer being allowed to marry while in prison aside) listed his address as Santa Barbara. But heck, Skink, he could have been your neighbor in Missoula and you would never know his true identity.

      Dave Chapelle, after his hiatus, appeared on Letterman, and mentioned just in passing something that obviously puzzled him. Wesley Snipes had been sentenced to three years for income tax stuff. Interesting, Dave said, as he was at a party and Snipes was there, not in jail at all. Letterman knew to back off and quickly moved on, ignoring the statement.

      Point is, Skink, that the world is blowing right by your unawares, as you seem perpetually distracted by news. That is, after all, the purpose of news.

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      1. Very true Mark.

        Also let’s not forget that all those clowns are “from the families” as Miles Mathis extensively has shown.

        That in Game of Thrones (also Hollywood misdirection of course) the relatives of kings end up in the ugly stinky dark cellars, doesn’t mean that such a ridiculous thing happens in real life.

        Prison is for us, their dreamed cattle, not for those “in charge”…

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        1. Reminds me – I need to resume the “Get Out of Jail Free” series … famous people sentenced to jail who are (or were) not in jail, Sirhan Sirhan topping the list. I should do that before he dies too.

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