TimR suggested I put up the comment below as a fresh post. Background: TimR posted a link as follows:
https://www.arkmedic.info/p/there-was-no-virus
He asked us to look it over and comment on it, which I and others did. Recently he was somewhat flustered that he thought arkmedic was making a simple point and that none of us were reviewing it or really commenting on it.
I responded:
I did read arkmedic, though I’ve not returned to review it. I simply integrate it with other things I have come to understand:
PCR testing is very good at finding anything you want it to find. It is a powerful tool, but cannot be used to diagnose disease.
There is no genome available. What we have is a computer simulation of what a genome would be if a virus existed.
There is no virus.
Therefore I conclude that what they are finding in Australia and everywhere else is a bit of DNA that exists in most or all of us and that can be dependably found by turning up the amplifications beyond a reasonable level. They had to do this in order to simulate a pandemic that never was, never will be.
The thousands of people performing PCR tests are true believers , as are most virologists. Medicine is a crazy corrupt world. Just as I don’t do news, I don’t do doctors except for things they can actually fix (hernias, torn tendons). I also don’t do voting, don’t believe in courts or professional sports or the music business. What little is left is just me believing in me. I get by on that.
Apparently these views are not familiar to TimR, and that’s OK, as a lot of sand has passed through the hourglass since 3/11/2020. For anyone who wants to go back and review my posts from that day forward, you’ll see that I have consistently said what I said above, even as I might have become more refined over time. The key to me was declaration of a pandemic on 3/11, 3*11 = 33, busted. I knew on that day there was no virus, and later came to understand how the PCR test was being used to simulate a pandemic that was not otherwise happening.
TimR suggested I move it to top of page and start a new discussion. I agree. The one before had gotten very long, and I was not aware of it, as my computer takes me directly to comments without knowing what lies above.
So here we go, and feel free to deviate from what I said, introduce your own thoughts. Also, read arkmedic.
Piece of Mindful 
I can verify Mark was consistent. I’m a bit of an OCD reader, I have read most of this blog plus comments over the past few years. Also I’ve read most everything at clues forum and MM site. And as people who have been reading this blog know I’m well educated and have worked in the system. I am careful before forming an opinion. Good call Mark. I remember distinctly Trump saying it was a hoax early on. That was a good reverse psychology move/memory implant by the powers that be – all the Trump haters would therefore associate the Covid hoax with Trump, and since they suffer from Trump derangement disorder will never be able to escape that matrix.
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I, flustered? I say thee nay..!
Maybe surprised, mildly bewildered even, that my simple point wasn’t getting through to anyone. Arkmedic’s discussion of the Australia PCR data is actually pretty involved, especially for anyone not familiar with the technical use of the terms sensitivity and specificity.. though he gives a brief explanation and shows the math for calculating them from the available data (albeit always suspect data, as Researcher says.)
But I thought my point that the data, whether simulated or not, was non-random, was pretty self-evident. And that that point doesn’t hinge on arkmedic’s trustworthiness, or Australian officials – it follows from the data given, and the math applied to it, and the way it shifts over time correlating in a consistent, logical way with real world events (jab introduction, etc.) Unless anyone has a problem with arkmedic’s math. Ie, the data would not present that way if the PCR testing was being done with just labs jacking around with cycle rates.. and anyway, the results they got are not even favorable to the official narrative. If you follow along with arkmedic’s analysis and what it implies. Arkmedic, despite his suspicious panda graphic per Researcher, is a horrible narrative denier after all (but maybe a horrible controlled op guy, too.. tangled webs and all.)
Mark, I guess I am generally familiar with your views as presented here, just hadn’t considered them recently or further questions they raise for me. Certainly wasn’t saying you were inconsistent, or that they’re not a plausible, credible take on PCR and the rest of it.
Assuming hypothetically for arguments sake that they really were running PCR testing, and the data is what turned up (as opposed to wholly fabricated numbers from running a computer simulation).. I wonder what is the nature of the “bit of DNA” they were finding? Something in everyone, you say, or randomly in some but not others. Or in everyone at high enough cycle rates. But again, the data as given, and the math, doesn’t show that kind of lab wankery.. it shows a consistent test that correlates with real world events.
I need to reread arkmedics section on PCR, but my memory is that if the data is real, it would prove some sort of communicable “bit of DNA”, and/or a “bit of DNA” introduced or triggered by the jab. Ergo, to maintain the views you hold, one would have to write off the Australia data as the product of computer simulation software. Which is certainly possible. I don’t have any certainty about it myself one way or the other.
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The manner in which Christian Drosten cam up with a complete genome within days (I will publish a timeline later) of the Wuhan events suggests planning, especially given that in the succeeding years, according to Massey, no genome could be produced by any of the government or health agencies anywhere … in the world. Event 21 some five months earlier predicted everything. It needs to be scrutinized not as coincidental but rather as known … lest we be taken for damned fools. Of course PCR was looking for something known, but not a sequence from a genome. What was PCR looking for? They so not publish that data, as would a prudent scientist. It is a mystery.
I cannot accept such chicanery as real. It is too damned obvious.
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I agree it’s loaded with chicanery.. I guess I assume it’s a blend of fact and fiction since that of course makes it harder to untangle.
I kind of thought they did publish some “in silico” genome? Right away that was available to researchers? I’m not great at keeping track of it all though, just my sketchy recollection.
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This will not come out on a Google search unless you go pages deep, But the German Supreme Court, which holds plaintiffs and defendants to high science standards, ruled in 2015 or so that there is no scientific proof of the existence of the measles virus.
At issue was an initiative to make the measles vaccine mandatory in Germany. Stefan Lanka, a virologist, offered a Є100,000 reward to anyone who could produce a paper proving the measles virus exists. Of course he had takers, and the most common paper in question was a 1954 one by Dr. Franklin Enders, which lower courts agreed offered the necessary proof.
Lanka knew that was coming, and so appealed until the matter was taken up by the German Federal Supreme Court (BGH), which, calling in the Robert Koch Institute, agreed that the Enders experiment, which somehow led to his winning a Nobel Prize in chemistry in 1954, was defective and offered no proof. He did not use a control alongside the human tissue samples wherein he supposedly found the virus, and so he offered proof of nothing. So ruled the BGH.
“In a recent ruling, judges at the [BGH] confirmed that the measles virus does not exist,” wrote Dave Mihalovic, a naturopathic doctor who specializes in vaccine research. “Furthermore, there is not a single scientific study in the world which could prove the existence of the virus in any scientific literature. This raises the question of what was actually injected into millions over the past few decades.”
Kary Mullis found much the same problem when he was tasked to write a paper about the HIV virus. To write about it, he first needed a scientific paper proving its existence. He wrote at length about it in his book Dancing Naked in the Mind Field, eventually giving up the quest, as no paper existed anywhere, not to be found in CDC, RKI, or Pasteur Institute or the WHO. This is the essential fraudulent nature of virology, which like climate science, has no wind in its sails but nonetheless is taken to be real by governments and educational institutions everywhere.
Utter corruption.
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Horst here again, second try to comment on this. I’m not convinced about viruses too, but please stop spreading Dave Mihalovic’s BS. The BGH never ruled about viruses at all, it dismissed a repeal, there is nothing to read in the order.
The actual final verdict is from the OLG Stuttgart, Urteil vom 16.02.2016, it can be found here: openjur(dot)de/u/892340.html
Key point, they ruled only one study should have been provided to win the bet, but several were presented. That’s it, the end! No decision about the existence of viruses. Nada. That’s how courts operate, it’s a legal principle, to do as minimal as possible. They threw it out without ruling about viruses. Both sides of the fence can claim victory, and everyone must admit, nothing happened, we got the ‘rona OP afterwards.
Quote, as linked and described above:
Es hätte nur eine wissenschaftliche Publikation im Sinne einer Originalarbeit und nicht einer Zusammenfassung vorgelegt werden dürfen, in der behauptet und bewiesen werde, dass das Masernvirus existiere, was nur durch die Dokumentation einer Isolation und biochemischen Bestimmung des Isolats möglich sei und in der der Durchmesser bestimmt werde, was nur durch „negatives Staining“ möglich sei, was nicht gemacht worden sei.
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I’ve got to read more about this, as that sounds fishy. I’ve got Lanka’s work on this in a stack nearby.
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I have been immersed in other things, but did come across a detailed history of the court case from the book The Final Pandemic by Drs. Mark and Sam Bailey, page 80. Here’s what they wrote:
The Bailey’s then go on the detail and critique the six scientific papers in question, which is too much transcription for my taste today. They note, howwever, “… that Professor Andreas Podbielski, head of the Department of Medical Microbiology, Virology and Hygiene at the University Hospital in Rostock, stated that with regard to the six presented papers, none of the authors had conducted any controlled experiments following internationally defined rules and principles of good scientific practice. Hence, the claim that the measles virus exists lacks any foundation in the scientific literature.
What the BGH did was disgraceful, and I can boil it down to motive: They knew they could not rule in favor of Lanka outright, as it would cost them their positions and careers (there are higher powers than mere supreme courts). So they punted.
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Funny you should bring up measles because I’ve been thinking about it lately.. it seems like an interesting case in the sense that most of these childhood illnesses were in gradual decline over the 19th C into the early 20th. Then vaccines would be introduced as they bottomed out and victory declared by the medical establishment (one of their standard tactics, as pointed out by vaccine critics.. Sage Hana on substack recently ran a chart from Dissolving Illusions showing this.)
But measles was still ongoing, or something with symptoms classified that way I guess. The Brady Bunch, pre vaccine, had an episode reassuring viewers that it was fairly mild and just a sort of childhood rite of passage. Then a bit later (not sure how much later?) they developed the vaccine for it, and turned around and demonized it as a deadly scourge, the vaccine a life-saving preventative. My mom, of roughly your generation Mark, said she had it IIRC and that they treated it more like the former view.
But what makes me curious.. why did it “last” longer than other illnesses that were dropping away from (presumably?) modern plumbing, sanitation, etc. And why did it (presumably?) plausibly “disappear” mostly with introduction of the vax.
Was it too already in decline at that late point for some reason? And/or did they just start reclassifying any “measles-like” cases as some other illness (another common, tricky tactic of the medical establishment)?
Incidentally it was in the news lately in an alleged measles outbreak in a Florida school, being used to trigger all sorts of Pavlovian responses in hand-wringing liberals.. governor Desantis has appointed a horrifying CDC head there, who’s sympathetic to vax-denying parents, you see.. he lets their children attend school un-vaxxed! Exposing their vulnerable peers (the ones with weakened immune systems who can’t get the vax!) to the measles scourge.. aye.. the pot simmers..
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One of the precepts of allopathic medicine is that there are specific symptoms for various diseases. For Covid, for example, they said loss of taste was specific to it. It is not. The body has a variety of means to expel toxins, pustules but one. Red bumps on the skin could be anything, from garden pesticides to painting. The red bumps are a signal, but a diffused one. Could be one of many things.
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Yes, so maybe post-measles-vax, docs “knew” that vaccinated children couldn’t have measles, so they were maybe handed some other diagnosis to call those symptoms.. it’s happened with other things. I think we’ve discussed here polio being renamed some kind of paralysis. But I haven’t heard anything specific like that regarding measles.
Someone had a theory that a lot of these “childhood illnesses” were a byproduct of growing/ growth spurts, where the body has too much junk to get rid of as it remakes everything. So gets rid of it in these periodic eruptions of “symptoms.” And this is mistakenly or fraudulently assigned to viral infections. Sounds sort of plausible, but how does that map to the data of illnesses declining over time.. hard to sort out, since all the data could be based on a flawed, not to mention shifting (changing diagnoses), paradigm.
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My daughter was a very healthy child growing up but I noticed that the few times she did have a fever or was generally under the weather coincided with a growth spurt.
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The measles case … I once looked it up, the BGH of course did not touch that hot potato. They threw the case about the bet out for for a silly formal reason. Why would they shake a foundation of science, if they don’t have to, and they didn’t. But since then, many people on the other side of the fence claim they did. Not a good service for truth.
It’s all a dog and pony show anyway. This week we got the tale with iron lung guy. There’s a short documentary around, with orange 33 all over it, presented by a young lady with a small hat. There’s a MM paper on the topic.
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Not sure if this link will work or not but maybe search “healing with Dr Daniels The Measles Epidemic”
https://m.soundcloud.com/user-849859864/the-measles-epidemic-and-why-we-need-more?in=user-849859864%2Fsets%2Fplaylists-1
This is a good episode because it covers the broader topic of “how to create an epidemic” as well. Great inside skinny from her time in med school, etc.
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I believe analytical chemistry and forensics, and it’s advancement, are unsung heroes in the “disappearance” of many childhood maladies. As someone schooled in this discipline, who has witnessed the massive improvement in the ability to detect trace chemicals and positively identify them in my lifetime, I know it would be much harder to deliberately poison a population through mass application of, for example, arsenic to water. However, unfortunately when new “drugs” are invented like mRNA vaccines, safety is completely overlooked, and most people went full speed ahead with the treatment. There is also ostrich like behavior that goes on today, such as the ignorance of what is released in the “geoengineering” flights that crisscross, spraying something that looks like flak (silicate/polymer covered aluminum fibers is not a bad guess). Bottom line though it is harder to mass poison a population without it being explicitly detected.
However, if the vaccination of children, which has been increasing of late, continues unabated then that would override the decrease in general poisoning that went on mostly undetected before the 1960s. My fundamentalist Christian cousin has been completely anti-vaccine for many years, and most interestingly she is high up in the Veterans Administration Hospital system.
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So… Are you saying that pre 1960s there was more industrial byproduct or waste that couldn’t be specifically pinpointed.. so they got away with it?
Weird how measles “hung on” for a bit longer than others, then presumably decreased when the vax came out (unless they reclassified the symptoms/ diagnosis.) Now currently having a resurgence (allegedly due to laxity around vaxxing, or anti vax.)
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I was thinking about the measles reappearance. Unless you know otherwise it could be faked – just drills, or straight made up like school shootings. Because I’ve seen blaring headlines in RED LETTERS screaming about a measles pandemic, when the numbers they typically claim are in the single digits. Moreover, if most children are vaccinated, then why does it matter if a few children get sick (in the theoretical world where measles exists). Because measles vaccine is certainly not zero risk.
I had a non-conspiracy friend who is a physicians assistant tell me the tetanus vaccine is just completely ridiculous, as in there are essentially zero cases of tetanus or “lock-jaw” reported anymore anywhere.
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Which means next time you have a would getting stitched up in the ER, as I have had done a few times after accidents, skip the Tetanus vaccine. And makes me wonder what was tetanus? The pictures look terrible of lockjaw, perhaps another nutritional deficiency.
I know Mark has this in another new thread, The Indoctrinated Brain, but I can vouch for the importance of the fish oils in nutrition. I’ve started eating a lot more raw fish and fatty fish past several years and feel cognitively better and sharper. This was a topic that was part of my postdoctoral studies, the endocannabinoid system and related fatty acids, since these systems overlap. Very important system, there’s more cannabinoid receptors in your brain than any other type, and they’re probably there not to just allow you to smoke weed and get high. Also capsaicin or spicy food gives a similar mild euphoria to cannabis, this is my observation, and it binds to the vanilloid receptor which is closely related to cannabinoid receptor.
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Well certainly that Florida school outbreak of measles sounded, er, fishy..
Also hard to verify it ever being serious, since their numbers are one in a thousand with serious complications.. vast majority are moderate cases.
But just so I’m clear, in the past these childhood ailments were mostly the result of mass poisoning in your view? Bad sanitation, industrial processes.. ?
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Similar to my question about measles.. they now have a chickenpox vaccine. Claim 97% effective or so. Most/many children do get chickenpox at some point, so how do they pull that off if vaccines do nothing or just harm? Maybe they are genuinely interfering in a natural growth process, “rite of passage” that’s supposed to take place? Presumably many fewer children get chickenpox post-vax.. the symptoms are so self evident, it would be hard to claim effectiveness if there’s no change in incidence.
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Question; Have you ever met anyone who had “lock-jaw”other than some old girlfriend ? neither have I. it sounds like another case of the old long-necked, Loch ness monster with humps protruding from the water…Another government spawn of a devils touch and thought.
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No and I just read about some medicos saying they’d never seen lockjaw other than in textbooks.. but chickenpox, yes, and as I said older relatives have had measles. The interesting thing is that modern medicine does have some “standard cons,” but also has dozens of one off stories.
On chickenpox though.. the shot must “work,” right? How could moms and teachers not notice if chickenpox incidence continued on as before?
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Hi that reminds me of another personal story while we throw logs on the viruses are crap fire; when I was 21 and in college my girlfriend was an 18 year old beautiful blond Irish-American girl, her father a district attorney, pure Catholic goodness. She came over one night a few months after we started dating and said according to her doctor she had caught mononucleosis, the so-called kissing disease was/is (another legendary virus). After briefly asking her a few questions I told her damn the doctors prognosis you are sleeping over as usual (most weeknights and weekends). Do you think I ever got sick? Hell f-ing NO! One more month of my live living not in fear of idiotic rules and medical f-tards.
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Big pharma loves it all whether there’s any evidence or not. it’s all the same..There’s more money in the “care” than there is in the “cure”.
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I shiite you guys not that I watched an oral talk at a conference this week that claimed one batch of Covid vaccine had a 44% fatality rate because of host contaminant proteins causing a fatal autoimmune episode. This is like when you do the limbo and see how low you can bend and still get under the bar of “believability” with a supposedly brilliant scientific audience. Another speaker felt bad because some journalist (this was a real head scratcher) called him out for being a “bad guy” for working on Genetically Modified Organisms. So sad.
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Are you saying the 44% fatality in one batch sounds ridiculous to you, but this mainstream scientific audience accepted it?
Sorry I keep asking for clarification on your comments.. maybe it’s just me, or you have a kind of elliptical writing style that assumes we understand your overall viewpoint. Might be helpful if you could give an overview of what you think is going on, as if the reader knows nothing of your assumptions or framing..
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44% does not sound ridiculous to me, what is shady is assigning it to the “mistakes were made, they were trying their best” category. In real life this scenario never happens IMO. It’s deliberate poisoning covered up by Sgt. Schultz and Barney Fife caricatures. It was probably a more “lethal” batch made up for special populations.
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Hi TIMR, guilty as charged for making too many obscure references without proper attribution. I blame Mystery Science Theater 3000.
It’s very difficult to find an audience of individuals who are interested in the kind of important issues discussed here, who aren’t scared shitless of the consequences, and they are gutless bastards to boot.
Frankly I took much longer than Mark and some other adventurous intrepid souls to come to grips with the fake civilization we live in today. I’m frankly at peace with it now, I see no hope for the collective of humanity, but a few souls may be able to carry on with the knowledge of what happened in past times and seed the future. Like in the Tripods, interesting novels I remember reading in 5th grade.
The Tripods – Wikipedia
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Sounds pretty good, I can see how that would be captivating to a young person. Has some provocative ideas that raise questions about the real nature of society and overlap with various conspiracy theories. As usual, that’s no problem, it gets published, promoted, turned into other media by BBC etc. Just as 1984 and Brave New World are promoted and on school reading lists.
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