Jonestown, introduction

I have long wanted to explore Jonestown and all of the suicide deaths by cyanide poisoning, but have been put off by the massive undertaking, the complexity and surprises that await.  I have two prior projects behind me:

With John Denver’s fake death I was a rookie, and so spent tons of hours in the summer and fall of 2016 putting together all of the data. I was unsure of myself and wanted to nail it. Did I? I am not the jury, but for myself concluded, both with my own writing and research and excellent help in the comments, that the death was fake and (say with  60% possibility) that Denver, whose real name is unknown, decided to live out his life in New Zealand near his adopted daughter. When I presented it, it was a completed package, 7500 words, and comments that followed were intriguing. Not mentioned there, I suspect he and Annie are still a couple.

With Columbine I was cocky and let go with a seven part series, sure at the beginning that I knew where it would all lead. Indeed I concluded the event was a hoax, but I learned so much on the journey that I was forced to do a major rewrite to eliminate mistakes in the early work. As always, comments were useful, making it a group effort.

While vacationing in Europe, I read the Wikipedia accounts of the life of Jim Jones and Jonestown. There are leaps of logic, inconsistencies. It looks very suspicious. But I do not want to go underground, as I did with Denver, or make embarrassing public mistakes as I did with Columbine.

So I thought I would try a new approach, an experiment. Let’s crowd source this. I will put up the basic information in chronological order, maybe in five or six parts. I am not a stenographer. I will offer opinions and insight, but will rely on readers to review the material and as with John Denver, offer insight, seeing things I do not, offering expertise I do not have. Together we will piece it all together. I will try to keep it in manageable segments.

Maarten has follow-ups to his snake oil work, and Annette is going to open up a brand new entry point for us, the effects of prescribed pharmaceutical drugs, which will be a series. I will try to intersperse my Jonestown work among their pieces. I think the blog will be lively.

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  1. I actually am surprised the page is still there as Snaketongue (faye) has removed my other work, as co-founder of the whole project no less not only banned me but placed me in the “Spambots” category (see the history of the page) and needless to say I don’t endorse the project itself anymore.

    But I also was very much interested in “Jonestown”, so started quite some research already:

    http://fakeologist.com/fakeopedia/index.php/Jonestown_massacre

    The Winfrey link is interesting; a certain Carey Winfrey was the main reporter for the “massacre”, like Hannah Arendt was for the Eichmann show trial or Richard Gutjahr for the Bastille Day Nice “attack”, and the relation with Orpah Robinson (Oprah Winfrey) is a bit more than coincidental…

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      1. Alright, thanks Mark. The links are referenced in the original.

        1 – Military presence
        Allegedly, Jonestown was located in the northwesternmost province of Guayana. Guyana was a British colony until 1960 and incorporated in the Commonwealth in 1970. The province, today named Barima-Waini, then Northwest Province, has approximately 20,000 km2 (7800 sq mi) and a population of around 17,000 in 1978.[1]

        Jonestown was in the middle of the jungle, close to the border with Venezuela, that claims this part of Guyana. The only village nearby, where also the airstrip is where allegedly Leo Ryan and others died in the massacre is Port Kaituma: “it was only after the discovery of manganese at nearby Matthew’s Ridge that Port Kaituma was developed. As Matthew’s Ridge was not located on a navigable river, a canal was cut from the Kaituma River and a port constructed, becoming known as Port Kaituma. At the time of the manganese mining, Port Kaituma had three separate areas. The mine managers’ house and the guest house were in a large clearing separated by a short road through the forest from the main rail-head and manganese loading facility. A longer road lead in the opposite direction to the area known as ‘Bottom Floor’ where the workers lived. The manganese was transported from Matthew’s Ridge via a 40-mile railway and then shipped from Port Kaituma to Chaguaramas Bay in Trinidad, from where it was distributed for industrial use with a large proportion going to Stavanger in Norway. The project was operated by subsidiaries of Union Carbide.”[MSM 4]

        Manganese mining in the middle of nowhere surrounded by natives and ex-slaves needs a strong military presence.

        “[W]ithin Port Kaituma a large secondary school was constructed to educate students sent from all over Guyana. During its heyday, the school boasted over 800 students, of which most were housed in two large dormitory buildings.”[MSM 4]

        At the time of the Jonestown massacre, there was a military airplane of the Guyanese army -allegedly- stranded on the airstrip.

        2 – Videos
        Video The Life and Death of Peoples Temple (2006)[MSM 1]
        Jim Jones born “on an isolated farm”, just like Orpah Gail Lee Robinson, better known as Oprah Winfrey and Jesse Robinson, better known as Jesse James

        3 – Carey Winfrey
        CIA report released that it was a “mass suicide” on 11/18 @ 3:29 AM
        Newspaper article published on 11/27 written by Carey Winfrey, 2001-2010 Editor-in-Chief of Smithsonian Magazine at Smithsonian Institution[MSM 6]
        Carey Wells Winfrey was not named after his father, William Colin, yet after his mother’s maiden name; Mary Robinson Winfrey
        Pulitzer Travelling fellow, 1967; recipient Meyer Berger award for Distinguished Reporting Columbia University, 1978 (around the time of “Jonestown”). Served to captain United States Marine Corps, 1963-1966 [age 22-25].
        reporter, foreign correspondent for Africa, New York Times, New York City, 1977-1980, [yet Guyana is in South America]
        Gaia: so the mother of Carey Winfrey was a Robinson, as was the alleged father of Orpah Winfrey, what are the odds??
        Jim Jones Jr., son of Jim Jones, was interviewed by Oprah Winfrey in 2010.[MSM 8]
        While the Jonestown massacre was reported by Carey Winfrey…

        4 – Jim Jones
        The father of Jim Jones Sr., James Thurman Jones, is buried at Mount Zion cemetery.[MSM 9]
        Another James Thurman Jones, his son and Jim Jones’ 4 year elder brother?, was also from Indiana.[MSM 10]
        Allegedly his father was James Robert Ewell Jones, but this is shown as a calculated relationship[MSM 11]
        The grandfather of Jim Jones Sr. was John Henry Jones. His mother was Sarah Stauffer, daughter of Hannah Stauffer.[MSM 12]
        The father of John Henry Jones was Warren Jones, son of Edmund Jones and Ruth Jarrett. His sister was Sarah, married to Phineas Lamb, who previously married Hulda Bundy, daughter of Josiah (born on 11/11) and Huldah Bundy.[MSM 13]
        John Henry Jones married Mary Catherine Shank, daughter of Jacob and Sarah Shank.[MSM 14]
        The entries of Sarah and Warren Jones and more at Geni are governed by (((Jonathan Seth Wolfson)))
        So Jim Jones can claim “Irish and Welsh ancestry”, but “jewish-German” comes closer…

        5 – Mark Lane
        Involvement of Mark Lane, who worked on conspiracy theories on the Assassination of JFK, also highlighted at Cluesforum:[MSM 15]

        The flight Lane caught to Georgetown Guyana, the day after his [ ] Grace speech before the HSCA was a detour, but a continuation down he had been traveling for some time. The Rev. Jim Jones was a social idealist with a totalitarian bent, an integrationist whose colony had become segregated. Lane first visited Jonestown in September 1978, shortly after his obstreperous representation of James Earl Ray before the HSCA. The introduction to Jones had been made by Lane’s long- time factotum, Donald Freed, whom Jones had selected to write the official biography of the Peoples Temple. Lane and Freed had coauthored the 1973 novelization about the Kennedy assassination, Executive Action. Jim Jones was under the suspicion that the growing failures of his jungle commune were attributable to the FBI and CIA. “I told him … you don’t have to overreact,” says Lane now. “You don’t have to be paranoid. There’s a lawful way to get this material [intelligence agency files] and if there’s agents there, there’s a lawful way to deal with them.”

        Lane was paid a $10,000 retainer by Jones to file Freedom of Information Act suits against the intelligence agencies and to wage a counterattack against the negative publicity that was beginning to appear against the Peoples Temple. The suits were never filed, but Lane did vigorously lobby the National Enquirer against running a derogatory account, and he met with parents of Temple members to dissuade them from taking legal action. Although the media typically criticize Lane for being in it for the money, he has rarely played the hired-gun role to a high-paying client, a traditional role in the legal profession. The considerable money he has made over the years, while welcome, has mostly been a side-effect of his quest for fame. On behalf of Jim Jones, Lane was, for the first time in ages, a well-paid legal counsel. And, for the first time since he campaigned for JFK, Lane was cruising in someone else’s wake.

        Lane has said that he accompanied Congressman Leo Ryan’s fact-finding mission to Jonestown in order to have a calming influence on Jones. This is hard to imagine, considering Lane’s track record for escalating conflicts. Lane had denounced the FBI and CIA too vigorously for too long, receiving too much adulation in the process, for him ever to decline to see them where he could. Jim Jones had chosen his counsel well.

        6 – Charles Garry (1971)
        When the holocaust started, on November 18, Lane and attorney Charles Garry were shepherded to a shack on the periphery of the Peoples Temple compound. “We’re all going to die,” the armed guard gleefully announced.

        Lane’s back was up against the wall. In the distance, over the camp loudspeaker system, Jim Jones could be heard exhorting his minions to drink up. “If we die,” Lane asked the guard, “who will tell the story?” The guard’s ears perked up. “If you kill us,” Lane continued, “there will be no one left to tell of the glories of Jonestown.” The guard lowered his weapon, opened the door and pointed to the jungle. Lane dashed out. He was free to tell another ghost story.

        Since the holocaust last November, Lane has eagerly immersed himself in the subsequent controversies. He has been the counsel and media chaperone for Terri Buford, the young Berkeley journalism dropout who was Jim Jones’ treasurer and trusted underling. His book on Jonestown, based on Buford’s recollections, insights and purloined files, as well as his own, is scheduled for fall publication. And his whirlwind, coast-to-coast lecture tour, entitled “The Jonestown Horror: An Eyewitness Account,” visited almost as many college campuses this past semester as spring fever.

        Lane’s line on Jonestown is essentially this: the suicidal lunacy of Jim Jones was a fact concealed from Congressman Leo Ryan by the State Department and the CIA, who feared the mass defection of this socialist utopia to the Soviet Union. With skillful suggestiveness, Lane elaborates: “We will get the truth about Jonestown and when we do, I hope we do not discover that someone in the U.S. State Department said, ‘We can’t have 1,000 poor women and blacks defecting to the Soviet Union; we can’t have such a propaganda nightmare.’ I hope we do not find that someone in the State Department said, ‘Better let them die in the jungles of Guyana.’ ”

        Booked at $2,750 per lecture, Lane delivered some 40 such programs.

        Lane’s financial boom with the Guyana issue has rankled the media like never before. There have been editorials calling him a ghoul, a scavenger and a graverobber; an investigative profile on the front page of the Sunday New York Times, a wholesale attack in Esquire, a spread in Newsweek.

        Nasty as this new invective has been, Lane has not been significantly injured by it. During his years in the limelight, he has developed a sado-masochistic relationship with the media that is perversely perfect in its capacity to satisfy both partners. Lane loves to see his name in print, to watch his face on the screen, to hear his voice over the airwaves. Hating him as they do, the media can’t help but vilify him in the only way they know how—in print, on the screen, across the airwaves.

        And oh, how he makes the press rail and blather. Tom Snyder got so angry at Lane’s Guyana routine during his Tomorrow show appearance, that when Lane switched the subject by insisting that the public has the right to know who killed President Kennedy, Snyder reflexively challenged, “Why Mark? Why do we have the right to know?”

        Perhaps aware that names don’t seem to hurt him, two agencies of the law may be attempting to take up sticks and stones. The New York Bar Association has received a formal complaint regarding Lane’s Guyana-related activities, centering on The Washington Post’s claim that he kept secret his knowledge that Rep. Leo Ryan’s party was being fed drug-laced sandwiches. The complaint could lead to disbarment proceedings against Lane. Also, the Los Angeles Office of District Attorney confirms that a criminal investigation is being conducted into the circumstances under which Lane was paid $7,500 by the Peoples Temple to kill a derogatory National Enquirer story.[3]

        7 – More relations
        Cyril Magnin was a cousin of Los Angeles based Rabbi-to-the-stars Edgar Magnin, who you may recall was Mae Brussell’s father. Thus it appears that while Mae was calling out Jonestown as a CIA mind control experiment, her relative was, at least outwardly, one of Jones’ more powerful supporters. Additionally, Cyril Magnin looks to have been well connected politically as his cousin Rabbi Edgar was.[CF 2]

        “Then for a decade he served as the embattled chief counsel for the Black Panthers, defending Huey Newton, Bobby Seale and Eldridge Cleaver with such a flair for courtroom dramatics that one policeman, under intense questioning, jumped from the witness stand and pulled his gun on Garry.”

        And if you haven’t cracked a grin or uttered a WTF by now, perhaps this one will do.

        “I think Jones intended to have us shot,” says Garry, who was taken with Lane to a guesthouse as Jones’ followers massed around the vat of poison. “Pretty soon two young men with guns at the ready came to us. They said they were ready to die and happy about it, because they were going to expose this racist, fascist society. Mark very quickly said, ‘Charles and I will write about you.’ I think that saved our lives. They said okay and hugged us. We bid them goodbye and left.”

        Terri Buford was in Peoples Temple for seven years (1971-1978). She lived in Jonestown for the better part of a year in 1977 and 1978. She defected from the Temple three weeks before the massacre. [to go live with Mark Lane in Memphis].[4]
        Tim Carter lived in Jonestown and escaped on the final day.
        Laura (Johnston) Kohl was a member of Peoples Temple in California and in Guyana. She lived in Jonestown but was working in Georgetown on 18 November.
        Jordan Vilchez became a member of Peoples Temple as a teenager when her family joined. She was in Georgetown, Guyana on November 18, 1978, but her sisters and nephews died in Jonestown. She was on the Planning Commission and is familiar with many inner workings of the organization.
        Mike Touchette was among the original pioneers who built Jonestown. He and his wife were in Georgetown on November 18, but several family members died in Jonestown.

        Eugene Smith joined Peoples Temple in 1973 and lived in the Temple’s San Francisco commune before leaving for Jonestown in fall 1977. He was in Georgetown on November 18 clearing items from customs. Numerous members of his family – including his mother, wife, and infant son – died in Jonestown.
        list of Peoples Temple members who were in Guyana on 18 November 1978 and who survived the deaths in Jonestown, Georgetown, and the Port Kaituma airstrip. There are 87 individuals on this list. Those who are known to have died or who are presumed to be dead – because of their age at the time – are listed in red type.

        In this May 12, 2011 file photo, Jim Jones Jr., the adopted son of Jim Jones (left) and John Cobb, who lost 10 relatives in the Jonestown tragedy, stand near a Jonestown memorial at Evergreen Cemetery in Oakland, Calif.

        Three high-ranking Temple survivors claimed they were given an assignment and thereby escaped death. Tim Carter and his brother Mike, aged 30 and 20, and Mike Prokes, 31, were given luggage containing $550,000 in U.S. currency, $130,000 in Guyanese currency, and an envelope, which they were told to deliver to the Soviet embassy in Georgetown.[MSM 2]

        8 – Lack of deaths
        Allegedly 900+ people died, but running names through the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) and Access to Archival Databases (AAD) does not give results.[CF 3]

        No Lord of the Flies – lack of flies on the “bodies” indicate they weren’t dead
        Noted by lux at Cluesforum:[CF 4]
        Many of the “bodies” are like this in the photos — all neat and tidy and lined up side by side, mostly facing down, many resting their faces on their arms, some with an arm lovingly around another. All appearing to have “died” as gently and peacefully as can be.

        These people supposedly died form drinking Kool-Aid laced with cyanide. Here is a description of death by cyanide from Time magazine:

        “Cyanide suffocates. It stops oxygen consumption by body tissues. It is hot and bitter when swallowed, produces nausea and a splitting headache. The throat tightens, and the victim gasps for breath, reels, stares wildly without seeing, is seized by convulsions, and falls unconscious. Then, like an expiring balloon, his laboring lungs and heart slowly collapse….”[MSM 16]

        Somehow the “dead” in these photos don’t look like they were “seized by convulsions and then fell unconscious.” They look like they all laid down and played sleepy-time for the camera.

        Funny how these “horrifying” events turn into ridiculous bullshit when you actually look at them with an eye toward uncovering the fakery.

        And no “evacuation” of body fluids after death (or even while getting poisoned, like should have happened in the Holocaust Story too.[MSM 17][CF 5]

        9 – Military involvement
        Coming back to the first point:

        Mainstream description of the military involvement in the aftermath of the “massacre”:[MSM 18]

        Within hours of the attack, the State Department “asked for assistance” from the 437th Military Airlift Wing (MAW) stationed at Charleston Air Force Base (AFB) in South Carolina. An airlift capability was required to retrieve the survivors and the victims of the congressman’s party and to take down medical personnel. The Military Airlift Command (MAC) had been mobilized. By 0805Z (Zulu time according to official records) [Zulu time is GMT, 4 hours later than Guyana, so @ 04:05 in Guyana time] the first flight containing the 31st Aeromedical Evacuation Team from the 315 MAW (Reserve) had left Charleston AFB headed for Guyana. A C-141, tail number 40647, became the first of 46 C-141 flights to be used in the as yet unnamed mission; 45 were officially a part of the Joint Task Force.

        The first mission number was AVN1017-01, piloted by Capt. Tim House, and the lead physician was Lt Col Fred O. Bargatze, USAF. Their task, to evacuate the injured in a “politically-sensitive” environment, was left partially unclear. The sensitive nature of the mission was most likely due to several factors. First, the Government of Guyana (GOG), having already limited resources, wanted nothing to do with remedying what was ostensibly an American problem. One key request that highlights the Guyanese lack of preparedness was its appeal to the American State Department for fairly simple supplies, including 150 sleeping bags, five small electric generators, five HP outboard motors, two UH-1 (Huey) helicopters with crews, one U-21 (small twin engine aircraft) with crew, a 1 ¼ ton truck, one week’s worth of C-Rations, and blankets to support the field operations of up to 150 Guyanese Defense Force (GDF) personnel stationed at Jonestown. Second, the information coming from Guyana was scant at best, and wrong at worst. Third, in world history, an assassination of a foreign diplomatic official has led to armed conflict, but in this case, an American congressman had been murdered by Americans. The unknown nature of the mission required an added level of caution. Therefore, the aircraft transported four Air Force Combat Controllers (CCT) led by Capt John Buck, to provide aircraft security during the initial ground operations.

        To add more confusion to the situation in Jonestown, on Monday, November 20, the State Department went to the other extreme and reported that there were no “living persons there.” This was untrue. Several people had survived the massacre, including two elderly people: Hyacinth Thrash, who slept through the carnage only to awaken to a “ghost town” [sure!!]; and Grover Smith, who hid in the jungle. By the time Jeff Brailey and the medical staff arrived in Jonestown, thanks to a Guyanese Huey (UH-1H), most of the survivors had been transported out of the area. Some, like Stephan Jones, the son of Jim Jones, returned to Jonestown to help identify the bodies. Due to the scale of the recovery and Guyana’s inadequate resources, an airlift was ordered and Dover AFB was prepped to receive the deceased.

        A key element in the mission was delivering the bodies to the capital for transfer to the States. This task was assigned to Howard AFB in Panama. Their mission was to send helicopters to transport the bodies from Jonestown to Georgetown. The contingent included three HH-53s (Jolly Green Giants), whose mission involved one of the more gruesome tasks: ferrying body bags. Following each flight, the helicopters were washed out with a fire hose, yet in one official report, Capt Skinner of the Medical Service Corps, US Army, ordered the HH-53 helicopters from Howard AFB to be stripped of insulation and thoroughly washed after the mission for “public health purposes.”

        Conclusions:
        – a military operation from start (the construction of the whole Jonestown) to finish
        – a combination of pseudo-witnesses (who were in Georgetown just that day), some surviving witnesses (who apparently just sleep through it) and vicsims and actors
        – Jones of course is not who he is portrayed to be
        – muddying the waters with clouds of conspiracy theories to misdirect from the staged event, like Waco, JFK, 9/11, and so many others
        – involvement of key whorenalists for reporting the drama (much like the selection of wartime reporters, a.o. Hearst’s guys in WWII, who happily did business with the Nazis)

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        1. manganese mining…very interesting -Round up (glyphosate) is destroying our soil and one of the main things it is destroying is manganese.
          “Monsanto developed and patented the use of glyphosate to kill weeds in the early 1970s and first brought it to market in 1974, under the Roundup brandname.” The so-called “Jonestown Massacre” happened in 1978. These bastards knew what would happen with glyphosate…this connection is not a coincidence.

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  2. I’ve been wondering for a long time if there might be a possible (government social-engineering research) link between the various “cults” that made headlines during a roughly similar time frame. CUT, Rajneeshpuram, Branch Davidians, Aum Shinrikyo, Heaven’s Gate and People’s Temple. There is evidence of infiltration and surveillance, but very little “proof” of anything more. Where is the whole cult thing today? Moved on to bigger and better control experiments? Lots more work to do on this.

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  3. A person of interest in Jim Jones’ loooong train of quilted red flags is his original recruiter and mentor, Dan Mitrione. A spook with a Zal Rule collar (State of Seige, a Costa-Gavras film- a very lightly fictionalized version of Mitrione’s alleged kidnapping and execution by Uraguay’s Tupamaros rebels). Mitrione’s path crosses Jones’ several times as they spook up the Americas until Mitrione’s “death” in 1970.
    Also, Jones looks like a franchise with other JJ’s leaving paper trails as the preacher cover pose zig zags through the cold war (racial intel division).

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  4. Mark, This will be exciting research, your decision to “crowd source” for information is brilliant. The hole that is the Jonestown incident is huge.

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    1. Indeed it is huuuuuuge… I had forgotten that JFK stooge, Mark Lane, was the “eyewitness with portfolio” added to the cast to sell this horse hockey.
      The People’s Temple on Geary Blvd. in Frisco was cheek by jowl with the Fillmore Auditorium where all the local spooks like Janis and The Dead plied there dark arts. Jone’s temple had originally been a Masonic temple named after Albert Pike. A synagogue was also nudged in there and became the Temple Beautiful which hosted the first wave of punk rock to hit the city. Fires and earthquakes took out the temples and now there sits a post office. Fun stuff.

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  5. I found the information I read a few years ago concerning comments from the medical examiner that was at the site after the massacre – here is that portion found on this site
    http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol29i4/page04.htm
    Mass Murder

     Although many others lost their lives on November 18, 1978, according to Dr. C. Leslie Mootoo, then chief medical examiner of Guyana, the overwhelming majority of the deaths at Jonestown were murders, not suicides.
    
     Dr. Mootoo, the government’s top pathologist and the first physician on the scene, told Freedom that many had died from injections of cyanide. After 32 hours of nonstop work in stifling heat, amid decaying flesh, in Mootoo’s words, “We gave up.” By that time, 187 bodies killed by injections had been examined by Mootoo and his team. Victims had been injected in portions of their bodies they could not have reached themselves, such as between the shoulder blades or in the back of an upper arm. “Those who were injecting them knew what they were doing,” Mootoo said.
    
     Many others had been shot. Charles Huff, a former member of the U.S. Army Special Forces in Panama, was one of the seven Green Berets who were the first American troops on the scene following the massacre. He told Freedom, “We saw many bullet wounds as well as wounds from crossbow bolts.”
    
     Huff noted that those with fatal bullet or bolt wounds appeared to have been running toward the jungle that surrounded Jonestown. Corroborating the information from Dr. Mootoo, Huff said that the adults who had not been shot had been killed by injections between the shoulder blades. The killers escaped before the arrival of Huff and his team.
    

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    1. The photos don’t begin to show enough bodies. Most of the victims were black. What is the population if Guyana? Mostly black? What bothers me is that he started out with 500 people to build the compound? the another 500 joined him? these were poor people, unable to afford fare. Did Jim pay their way? How and why did all those people turn up there? Or were they there at all?

      I am sensing misdirection. Why stage this event in the jungle? What makes us think that the government of British Guyana is independent? Misdirection from what?

      This will be interesting. I do not begin to have any answers.

      Mark Tokarski

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      1. I believe there were deaths and MK Ultra experiments…how many deaths? Impossible to determine 40 years after the fact.

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      1. Oops! I thought this was a private email exchange between Annette and me … it posted here. I can remove it all Annette, your call, or you are an editor now, so you can too. I was just thinking outloud. I am very familiar with misdirection and rabbit holes, and that is what the Dr. Mootoo comments sound like, misdirection.

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        1. I only discovered the possibility that the event was not as advertised about 5 years ago, shortly after I was “awake and aware”. I found the Mass Murder aspect compelling at that time. This will be a difficult puzzle to assemble or disassemble as the case may be.

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  6. I know who Jim Jones was/is .Jim Jones recently died again in His new incarnation. Jones was on the TV Show ” Pawn Stars ” . “Jim Jones ” Played the Grandfather know as “The Old Man ” on ” Pawn Stars “. Look at “The Old Man ” , listen to His voice and Jim Jones Voice . “Jim Jones” and “The Old Man ” are one in the same 40+ years later . The ” The Old Man ” is said to have died at 77 ( LOL ). People where starting to see who “The Old Man ” really was . No ” The Old Man ” did not Die !!!

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      1. Everything I have read about this Jonestown thing makes me thinks that there were multiple levels to it. The Left Wing Hollywood Liberal Establishment were big pushers behind Jim Jones and when the Church was in SF big names were supportive of the works it did. The Church committee was in 1975-76 and they were told the experiments, MK Ultra, etc were done and over with. Congressman Ryan went down to investigate and he had a bill pending that would have given Congressional oversight to CIA covert operations. The daughter of Ryan is trotted out ever 10 or so years to reinforce the event. I don’t know what think. The survivors that made it out all seem to capitalize on the event and worked really hard to spread the official version of what happened. And the same people involved in this seem to link to the People involved in the Patty Hearst, Black Panther, Michael Aquino, Temple of Set, and the Haight Ashbury psyop. The people who benefitted from all of these events seem to me to all be the same. I don’t know what to make of this Bay Area mess.

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