Eva Perón: The Rest of the Story

Evita lived on in the material world

Back in the day, when Straight was still here, we bounced from one discovery to another. The zombie matter was of great interest. Rarely did a day go by that I did not get an email from him suggesting I look into this or that person. The man has great instincts. He tired of the work, wanting to live in a more positive sphere. I get that, and wish him well, always. For me, just as I loved to curl up with Sherlock Holmes as a kid, I love the work I do here and would not trade it for journalism in any form. This is honest and rewarding work.

DSCN16935FBA7736-804C-4B63-B6E4-5C7CF15875A8There have not been too many new discoveries since Straight left, though I have moved far afield of facial analysis. But I do have my eye out. Thus it was that my wife suggested we visit La Recoleta Cemetery while in Buenos Aires with two crypts in mind: That of Liliana Crociati de Szaszak, a young woman killed in an avalanche in Switzerland (left), and Eva Perón, or Evita (right).

I knew very little about Evita other than that movie from 1995 and the Weber/Rice Broadway musical with its associated ear worms. I did not care for most of the movie but enjoyed the opening number in which Madonna sang Buenos Aires, train providing the percussion. The rest was not memorable for me, and anyway, what the hell was Che Guevara doing there? He seemed to be an anachronism. (He was put there for a reason, no doubt, but we can only guess.*)

In Buenos Aires I had time on my hands, as there are really only two things to do in big cities, walk and spend money. In our hotel room I went to the official journal of lies, Wikipedia, and read a Swiss cheese piece about Eva Perón. I quickly realized her death had been faked. That led to more research, and then a blog piece shortly before our return home. It drew some interest, but failed to answer the question that needs to be asked about all these fake deaths – what then? What became of her?

I speculated, along with Tyrone, that her Rainbow Tour, on which she visited General Franco in Spain, might have been done to scout a post-“death” home. Finding these people in real life after fake death is a challenge. What if they just disappear and go one to lead quiet lives? Straight and I had our successes only with those zombies like Amy Goodman and Thom Hartmann who took on new and prominent public roles.

So with the Eva Perón post, I put it to rest. Then last week I received the following email from occasional commenter Richard Juckes:

Hi Mark,
So where did Eva Perón go? A major asset into retirement at 30?
Here’s my guess, which I’ve uploaded to a hosting site so as not to sway your judgment:
https://ibb.co/c8HmaS

That photo linked to a photo of a woman who very much resembled Eva Perón, seen below and right. I was in a sleep-deprived state and told him I would get to it the following day. But it bugged me, so I ran a comparison that very day using the following two photos.

 

 

 

That’s Eva Perón on the left, and Richard’s mystery person on the right. The one on the left, though it has qualities of a painting, is more like a magazine cover. It has been  airbrushed and all blemishes have been removed, and the pointed nose softened.

Pointed noseTo the right here is another photo of Eva where the nose is not doctored. There is a much more pronounced downward point on it that is not evident in the doctored image above. However, even as the photo is doctored, they did not move the eyes, nose, mouth or eyebrows, and the facial creases on either side of the nose and mouth appeared alike, pronounced on her left, less so on the right. I saw enough resemblance to think he might be on to something, so I squared the eyes at common distance and did a Photoshop facial overlay.

Eva-Peron-from-Juckes

“It’s her!” I thought, and I excitedly emailed Richard back. Where did you find her? He answered …

Madonna’s mother.

https://www.google.com/search?q=madonna%27s+mother&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=tablet-android-lenovo&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizzIO9j5LaAhXGPRQKHXq-C5EQ_AUIESgB&biw=1024&bih=600

MadonnaI was floored! Richard had done exactly what Straight used to do … a free association technique that cannot be taught. It is instinctual. He asked a question no one else had asked, and looked outside the box for the answer. He connected the dots, freestyle.

[Note: To avoid confusion, for the balance of this piece I will refer to Madonna, the mother, as “Madonna,” or by her full name, Madonna Fortin Ciccone, and Madonna, the daughter, as “Little Nonni,” which was her nickname as a child.]

Quickly I realized that he had explained something that needed explaining, which is how the lightly talented and over-hyped singer Little Nonni got the part of Evita in that 1995 movie. It was a high budget undertaking. Why risk such a project on a B-level talent?

Why indeed? Little Nonni was portraying her mother! Little Nonni is Eva Perón‘s daughter.

Here again is Wiki, the source of all lies, on why Little Nonni was chosen for the part:

In December 1994, [Little Nonni] sent Parker a four-page letter explaining that she was the best person to portray Eva and would be fully committed to the role.[5] She also sent him a copy of her “Take a Bow” music video as a way of “auditioning”.[26] Rice believed that [Little Nonni] suited the title role since she could “act so beautifully through music”.[27] Lloyd Webber was wary about her singing. Since the film required the actors to sing their own parts, [Little Nonni] underwent vocal training with coach Joan Lader to increase her own confidence in singing the unusual songs, and project her voice in a much more cohesive manner.[27][28] Lader noted that the singer “had to use her voice in a way she’s never used it before. Evita is real musical theater — it’s operatic, in a sense. [Little Nonni] developed an upper register that she didn’t know she had.”[29][30]

In January 1996, [Little Nonni] traveled to Buenos Aires to research Eva’s life, and met with several people who had known her before her death.[30] During filming, she fell sick many times due to the intense emotional effort required,[31] and midway through production, she discovered she was pregnant. Her daughter Lourdes was born on October 14, 1996. Little Nonni published a diary of the film shoot in Vanity Fair.[32] She said of the experience, “This is the role I was born to play. I put everything of me into this because it was much more than a role in a movie. It was exhilarating and intimidating at the same time … And I am prouder of Evita than anything else I have done.”[33]

(I see the footnote numbers. It is Spookville.  Straight would have a field day.) It is interesting that the singer had to undergo vocal training. But note that they are telling us that even though Little Nonni was not suitable for the part, did not possess a good enough singing voice, they gave her the part, and she worked really hard.

There’s a message there for all of us – if you work really hard at something, you can be excellent. I could be a baseball slugger, or a poet or TV game show host – work work work! I watched Matt Damon interviewed on Jimmy Kimmel, and Jimmy asked about how he and Ben Affleck managed to pen the sophisticated movie script Goodwill Hunting in their mid-twenties. Matt said that the two boys just worked really, really hard on it, gave it everything they had. That’s all talent is, after all, hard work.

Little Nonni was the image in the movie, but her voice was surely assisted by means I can only imagine, the same type of software that augments and corrects so many others of low talent as they perform. Note, however, that Little Nonni did not have to beg for the part. It was written for her. She and technology won a Golden Globe for the performance, a testament to the phoniness of the award system too.

The plot thickens. Below is a photo of the Ciccone family from which Madonna Fortin Ciccone’s photo was cropped:

Ciccone Family Portrait

That is Tony and Madonna Ciccone (her maiden name is Fortin) surrounded by their brood, which I think to be in clockwise order Anthony, to Tony’s right, (born in 1957), Martin (57), Little Nonni (58), Christopher (60), and Melanie (62).** It’s confusing because there should be three boys and two girls,  and the child sitting in Madonna’s lap appears to be the youngest, but it is not Melanie, who is officially the youngest.  I overlooked that discrepancy, always a mistake. Details matter, and that is a big one. Below is a Geni.com summary of the Ciccone family:

Family tree

Only two of their children are named, the rest “private.” There’s a reason for that, as we will discover.

Richard wondered about that photo. I thought it was genuine. But he was right. After a cautionary email from him saying me that the photo did not look right, I viewed it some more. I looked at Tony’s head, and from there, everything around it dissembled before my eyes. It is way too big, and what is with that smudged ear? If this is a true family portrait, I hope they got a refund.

Ciccone Family Portrait 5

There are so many things wrong. Tony  and the two children he is with have different lighting. Madonna and the two children she is holding have different lighting. The body of the young boy in the background seems to belong, but the head has been superimposed. It appears they want his right arm to extend over to Tony’s right shoulder, a reach. Madonna’s hair looks pasted. Kids are looking off in different directions. It’s a mess.

It’s a blend of several photos, a big paste-up job, professionally done. It explains why three of the children at Geni.com are “private.” They either don’t exist, or are of someone else’s family. That’s why we are only given birth years, and not birth dates.

Mother daughter

But I suggest that Little Nonni and Christopher are her kids, nonetheless, even as the above photo does not prove this. There is a strong resemblance between Little Nonni and Eva – I can see it in the nose, eyes and head shape and facial creases. Further, I doubt that Eva Perón was ever expected to be revealed as Madonna Fortin Ciccone, so that this photo, a professional paste-up, was meant to enhance Little Nonni’s bio, to assert that she had a normal family. They just didn’t have enough of the right kinds of photos to blend into one. These had to do. That is all I can make of that photo, a loose assembly not meant for close scrutiny.

The two children with Madonna then would be Christopher (born 11/22/1960), and Madonna Louise Ciccone (Little Nonni)(August 16, 1958). The other three children are “private,” and we don’t have birth dates, just birth years for them. That is because they don’t exist or are of another family. Little Nonni, it appears,  has only one true sibling, her brother Christopher. (He is a research project all by himself, a fiery and antagonizing source of discomfort for Little Nonni. I am bypassing that rabbit hole.)

Thus far, we know (or assert) that Madonna once went by the name “Eva Perón.” Tyrone and I discussed in the comments of the first Eva Perón post what might have become of Eva after her fake death in 1952. I suggested her landing in Spain, which might have been the reason for her visit with General Franco on the Rainbow Tour. I tossed that idea aside when I learned that the Ciccone family lived in Bay City, Michigan, 3,953 miles away from Madrid. But since we now know the Ciccone family as presented to us is fiction, perhaps it is fair to speculate again.

Little Nonni graduated from Rochester Adams High School, a public school on the outskirts of Detroit. She received a scholarship to the University of Michigan School of Music, Theater & Dance, but dropped out of college in 1978, at age 20, and went to New York City to launch her career. That is the official bio. Here’s Richard once more:

“Do you remember another story, of how Lennon gave her $50 when she was busking in New York? The rags-to-riches theme, again and again, when in reality they’re all from one or other of the families. The challenge here is that the set of South American families might not be Anglo-Saxon, although I remember that Miles linked Che Guevara to the Lynches of Ireland.”

We have seen black royalty, and many think the center of power in our universe is in Asia. I cannot know. But I do suspect that power in Latin and South America is of European descent.

Back to Little Nonni, she was not very talented, she was not going to excel in college. That she stumbled into worldwide fame is an anomaly, but readers of this blog know that fame is given, not earned to those of the bloodlines. So I wondered, does Little Nonni perhaps speak … Spanish?

Yes! From this source we learn that Little Nonni speaks three languages, English, French, and Spanish. That is unusual for an American with a public school education, most of whom barely manage English. We are told she learned French because that is what her children speak (she has six children, four adopted, two her own by two separate husbands). I am sensing something more here, a European education. There, multilingualism is not unusual. I am wondering if Little Nonni got her formal schooling in, perhaps. Spain?

Tonies

(Sidestep for a moment before we move on: Above is a photo of Tony Ciccone, then and now. This is just a footnote, another rabbit hole I am bypassing. It’s very difficult to tell them apart due to the age difference, but it seems plausible they are the same man, the noses very similar. The only noteworthy difference is the Tony on the left parts his hair on the left. Most men don’t switch sides. Photo-flipping is not unusual, too.)

What do we know so far? Little Nonni is the daughter of Eva Perón, and has far better education than her public schooling would allow. She lacks talent but skyrocketed to fame. ($50 from John Lennon certainly helped!) Eva Perón faked her death in 1952. As Richard reminded me,

“I can see no reason to assume the 1963 death was genuine, or for that matter that a woman from the nobility would consent to five pregnancies.”

We are told that Madonna Fortin Ciccone died in 1963 at age 30 of breast cancer after giving birth to five children. We are told that Eva Perón died in 1952 of cervical cancer, also at age 30. There is really only eleven years difference in the timeline, and the woman in the family photo above could easily be 30 or 41, assuming Eva’s real birth date was 5/7/1922. I suspect that age 30 was chosen as the death of Madonna Fortin Ciccone for symbolic reasons, a sublime reminder of Eva’s death at the same age. Madonna died twice, both times at age 30. Both times fake.

Surely by now, Eva Perón/Madonna Fortin Ciccone has passed away, or she is 96 years old. What became of her after her second fake death in 1963? I need another email from an occasional commenter. I don’t have a clue.

Here is a timeline I constructed to see if the career of Eva Duarte Perón synced with that of Madonna Fortin Ciccone. Indeed it does.

Timeline

That yellow area on Madonna’s line is the time that Eva was a public figure in Argentina. We know nothing about Madonna during that time. It is perfect alignment. (I tossed in Isabel Perón on the bottom for a reason I will discuss later.)


Juan PeronAt this point I want to switch to Argentina and Juan Perón. He married three times. Here’s a comment from Tyrone McCloskey from the original Eva Perón post:

“Aurelia Tizon, Perón’s first wife, allegedly died of the exact same thing- cervical cancer. To me this indicates that both wives were spooks and retired, but for different reasons. Tizon reads like Perón’s tutor, translating English language military texts for him. They adopted, indicating a likely beard marriage. She was listed as 17 and a school teacher when they met but that doesn’t add up. She was likely from a pool of bi-lingual assets and they matched well for expanding Perón’s acting skills. Once finished with polishing his image, she “died”. Evita then enters, stage right, and takes on the role of arm candy/Madonna of the poor…of course-” ***

Juan was unlucky, it seems, marrying cancer victims who died at very young ages. As the word “beard” indicates, he was probably gay, which seems so common in the peerage. His marriage to Evita and her rise to near sainthood in Argentina was orchestrated, and probably done for distraction. During that era Argentina was busy collecting ex-Nazis, and misdirection is the best and most common form of lying. So Evita was used to distract Argentinians, and the whole world, from the massive transfer of former Nazi assets g to that country.

Juan served as president of Argentina three times, two terms of office between 1946 and 1955, and again from 1973 to 1974, at which point he died in office. He was said to have been overthrown and forced into exile in 1955. From Richard, citing Wiki:

“The Bombing of Plaza de Mayo was a massacre which took place in Buenos Aires, Argentina, on 16 June 1955. On that day, 30 aircraft from the Argentine Navy and Air Force strafed and bombed Plaza de Mayo square in Buenos Aires, in what remains to this day the largest aerial bombing ever on the Argentine mainland.”

(There is the number 30 once more … perhaps it has symbolic significance in Argentina just as 33 does in our country.) Is it possible a few bombs were set off and the newspapers reported a massacre? That happens frequently these days, so why not then? Juan was a player, and surely no enemy of the bloodliners, otherwise he would not have held office. So his return to power in 1973 was but another ruse, and this time his arm candy was yet another floozy, this one pulled from a nightclub in Panama, María Estela Martínez Cartas de Perón, or Isabel.

Isabella PeronOn return to office, Juan brought Isabel with her, and made her Vice President. It seems that an acting/singing career is part of the necessary CV to rise to power in Argentina. But let’s not monkey around. She was brought to Argentina to be president, and Jaun’s death was most likely faked, but if real, who cares? I had a flight of fancy, and imagined the Madonna Fortin Ciccone had returned to Argentina again, which is why I included her on the timeline above. But no, this is a separate person, born in 1931.

But in comparing the two faces, I did see a strong resemblance, almost familial. Above the mouth they line up very well. Argentina has had a succession of female leaders. Could it be that they are drawn from the same well, a family of cousins, maybe even sisters, mothers and then daughters who are given high office to act as a front behind which real power is nested? That is, after all, what the presidency in the United States is, a mere front.

Here are some other notable female figures from the ranks of Argentine leadership:

CFKCristina Elisabet Fernández de Kirchner, president from 2007-2015. She was the second woman to serve as President of Argentina, the first to be directly elected, and was then re-elected. She was said to be a “Perónist,” which loosely translates to something ideologically left of center, though Juan Perón himself more resembled a Nazi. Her political aura is described as “Kirchnerism,” equally misleading, I am sure.

CarroElisa María Avelina “Lilita” Carrió, lawyer, professor and politician, and Argentine National Deputy for Buenos Aires. She was the founder of the Argentine political party Civic Coalition ARI. Though a little heavier in features, I am seeing similar eyes and eyebrows.

 

VidalEvaMaría Eugenia Vidal is currently the governor of the Buenos Aires province, the largest and most heavily populated area of that country. My, but I am seeing a resemblance here … are you catching it too? (Interesting last name.)

The ranks of the powerful in Argentina, just like in our country or any other, represent the most powerful families in that country, the Bloodliners. Here’s Richard, once more, this time after he has done some genealogical research:

“I’ve just clicked back on Madonna Fortin’s male line all the way to 1518, by that time in France. In Quebec from November 17, 1656 (78). I’m not sure that I trust Geni, but it does contrast to Juan Perón‘s, which only goes back 1803 Genoa. But there is an interesting wife there – Ann Hughes MacKenzie. Miles has her in his paper on Hitler’s genealogy.”

I am not surprised … I also noted in the previous post on Salvador Allende that his mother came from the Castro line of Spain, which might be the same one that yielded Fidel. In other words, we are looking at an incestuous interlocking web of leadership going back centuries, and acting as the real power behind fake leaders all over the world. The blood lines include all nationalities and races. With Eva Perón, I stumbled on just one, and look where it led.

Little Nonni is just a whelp, not a person of much interest. But her stardom typifies the ease with which bloodliners rise to fame. No doubt she trained in her youth to be a singer and dancer, but all the training in the world will not make an ordinary baseball player into Hank Aaron. There needs to be real talent there as well. I am not the first one to notice that our landscape is littered with politicians, singers, actors and executives who lack real talent. It is kind of boring out there.

Judging by facial resemblance, timeline, and the fact that Little Nonni was given the part of Evita in a major motion picture, I assert here that Madonna Fortin Ciccone and Eva Duartes Perón were one and the same person, and that her daughter is Little Nonni, aka Madonna Ciccone, the mediocre singer and failed actress.

Final note: below is a video done by Little Nonni in memory of her mother:

 

This video was released in 2010, when her mother would have been 88 years old. Of course, it is 90% about Little Nonni, the daughter. Could it be, however, that Madonna Fortin Ciccone/Eva Duarte Perón finally died for real that year?

Anyway, now we know the rest of the story, that is, unless I get another email from a commenter.


*Richard and I discussed this, and he mentioned that Che Guevara was just another spook actor from the families, and that on his mother’s side he is a Duran/Durant/Durrant.. Then he said “Is Durant close enough to Duarte for you?”  If this is a real connection, it explains Che’s presence in Evita – he is a relative of Eva’s. (Che was also a Castro on both his mother’s and father’s side.) (Research credit here is due to Mr. Mathis.)

**”Lady Madonna, baby at your breast, wonders how you manage to feed the rest.” (Beatles song.)

*** It is quite prescient here that Tyrone refers to Eva Peron as “Madonna.”

37 thoughts on “Eva Perón: The Rest of the Story

  1. Just on Geni showing people as Private – it has to do with privacy settings of a family tree where the creator chose to make living people private. In other words, thise two Private kids are marked in the tree as living so their details are hidden.

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    1. I understand that, but Richard’s remark is more pertinent, that no one in the peerage is going to allow five pregnancies in six years. The “private” in this case probably points towards fake births or brats from other families, ala RFK.

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    1. There is some question in my mind whether there are two or three Ciccones. Melanie is not “private,” but is not given a date of birth. There is more to flesh out here. But focus on the mother. Mediocre talents like Madonna rising to international fame are not accidents. Do a little digging, as it never ends.

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  2. If Eva and Fortin are not the same person, they have certainly kept it in the close family. Getting the part to play her “aunt” might be a strong enough factor. There are other pictures of Fortin that gauge the longer face effect of the Evita nose/profile well. It’s close enough that the original ruling on the field stands, IMO. Epic stuff.
    Meanwhile, there is precious little on Carlos Leon, Madonna’s donation daddy for her first born, Lourdes. The name Leon factors into several genealogical drive by’s in MM’s Castro-centric examinations. Carlos is supposed to be Cuban and certainly has a Cuban-sized proboscis to suggest a likely cousinhood to the Latin division of the bloodlines surrounding The Beard.
    The geni lines going back for Fortin are precisely detailed in parts and end in the early 1500’s in France which would suggest peerage, continental style.

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    1. Glad you chimed in. I love this work. The “Fortin” name is one that I have to take a turn on, as I worked for Philip N. Fortin in Billings Montana for eight years. He was very wealthy, ideally just smart, investing in IBM in the 1940s and Texaco when it was much smaller, and a part of oil people striking in some very big domestic fields. He was childless, had a home in Palm Beach and married Mary Alice Stockard, mother of the actress Stockard Channing and Lesley Smith, wife of Earl, Ambassador to Cuba when Castro took power. That’s peerage, as Stockard Channing had not even 1/10th the talent of the mediocre Madonna. What is interesting is that Philip, who died in 1982, has no mark anywhere. Mary Alice inherited his fortune and is lauded as a philanthropist. The only remnants of Philip are the words “married Philip Fortin” in her obituary.

      Philip, by the way, was modest, unassuming, generous, strong, … we could never figure out why he married a witch. (She was ugly, too.) His obit says he is of French Canadian stock. It is not available anywhere online so I have a call into Western Heritage Center in Billings, hoping to find some paydirt. Geni and Wikitree know nothing of him.

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  3. First, let me say this article is exciting but I want to make a not so frequent contribution:
    How do you reconcile the fact that Eva Peron was born in 1919 and Madonna Ciccone in 1930? One died 1952 the other one 1960. How do you reconcile that into your research?
    Besides, I favor the thinking that all this interest in Genealogy and Ancestry and peerage, etc will lead to many people try to find out about their origins using DNA tests. Those millions of samples of DNA will play into the hands of companies that will monetize people genetic codes (DNA) and many more uses for that information.

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    1. Eva Duarte’s origins are pretty sketchy. She herself has lied about her year of birth (1922 and 1919), her place of birth is unclear (Junín or a village at 20 km from there) and more stories she invented. An actress after all. Madonna’s mom could have lied too about her birth place and year, can’t she?

      They could be the same person, I see it as a possibility, not definitive. Speech would be a good test and Italian-American or Argentinian-American is a pretty big difference in accent. But nice people look into it as a possibility.

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      1. Eva spoke Spanish, as does Little Nanno, who also speaks French. This comes either from formal schooling that we do not know about (Wiki says she attended public schools in Michigan and dropped out of college), or I am thinking she picked up the Spanish at home and the French somewhere else – use of the name “Fortin,” French Canadian might be a hint. The Italian side comes from her father, we are told.

        We have a precise photo alignment, a timeline that matches this woman being two people, and Little Nanno getting the part of Evita even as she lacked the talent to carry it. We have the fact that the family photo was a forgery, meaning they do not have a real one. The other piece of evidence everyone misses is that they do this stuff all the time, and are constantly shifting assets around to fill new roles or retiring them when they grow stale. While you may doubt, as an outsider never having pored over photos for hundreds upon hundreds of hours, as I have, I am very confident of the assertions made here.

        While I was shocked to learn that Madonna was Little Nanno’s mother, I knew quite well before that time that she had faked her death as Evita. That part was a slam dunk.

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        1. In this (out-of-sync) video Madonna reads from a prompter and speaks Spanish, but it’s pretty poor:

          Doesn’t sound like someone who learned Spanish from an Argentinian (very particular accent) mom, but in the end she’s an entertainer, actress, showbizz person so everything is (still) possible.

          Another photo of Evita Perón (who looks much older than 30/33):

          Doesn’t really look like Mama Madonna I’d say:

          Shape of the eyes is very different; Eva Perón has bigger rounder eyes than Madonna’s mom.

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          1. I will look at this more tomorrow, but you just solved a riddle! Remember in the family photo that Tony had a smudged right ear? Now I know why! Look at teh fmaily photo below, how the boy he is holding blocks out that exact part of the ear the is smudged in the other photo.

            Ciccone Family 2

            Ciccone Family Portrait

            Anyway, the woman in the photo you brought here not the same woman as used in the fake family photo I used above. Quite different. Eva Peron, actually kind of ordinary looking, as is Madonna Ciccone. Eva was not a blonde, either.

            This also explains why the young Tony and old Tony part their hair on different sides. The hair given “Cony” in the family photo I used was pasted in. Look how in the photo you brought here he combs it straight back. But it is the same face. I will prove that, tomorrow. And I rarely use the word “prove.”

            These damned projects keep getting deeper and deeper.

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          2. Eva’s eye color looks like dark brown to me, Madonna’s look blue/hazel or green like Madge (i.e. Nonnie), and Eva seems to have an overbite with her top row of teeth.

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          3. With celebrities, ignore eye color. It can be anything. Teeth are usually worked over. As one comedian once joked, if a plane were to crash into the Academy Awards and kill everyone, tbey would not be able to identify one body using dental records. That is weak evidence at best.

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    2. “Eva Peron” had two dates of birth, 1919 and 1922. It was said that she forged her birth certificate to change her name to Duarte, but we are also told she had legal right to use that name, so the forgery makes no sense, and was probably retroactively done to signal her death with the spook marker ’33.’ so that all of nobility world wide knew it was fake. I suggest her age at her first fake death is as shown on her crypt in Buenos Aires, 30.

      This means we have to account for eleven years, which is quite easy to do if you remember that after her death as Evita she was given a new biography, a new DOB, a new family, perhaps her real one. They used 30 as her DOD the second time around probalby as an inside joke, since her first fake death was age 30, why not her second?

      To me the woman in the photo does not look 30, She looks older.

      Regarding DNA, there will never come a day that it is available on nobility, for this very reason – they are constantly messing around like this. Having evidence like that of someone’s true identity may be OK for ordinary people, but not these.

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  4. Evita evidently did not went after her mother but after her father. She had her fathers eyes. There definitely is a resemblance. DNA fingerprint analysis is a hoax. It works with probabilities and was never scientifically tested. DNA changes during live which was demonstrated many times and therefore cannot be the carrier of genetic information even if it is a part of it. To cover that fact they invented the so called reverse transcription from RNA to DNA and postulated retro-viruses. Such things don’t exists of course. You can see that DNA changes during live for instance on breed dogs. Certain breeds have certain character traits but that was not originally encoded in the DNA. All dogs come from domesticated wolf who has none of the characteristics of say a Labrador who loves water and swimming and to fetch things. The first Labrador was trained to love to swim and fetch. Or take famous musicians. Their children often had similar abilities. J.S.Bach comes from a family with long musical traditions and then that was gone, not inherited anymore. A don’t mean the physical characteristics here but the mental ones. They can be created once out from live circumstances and then inherited and then lost again.

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    1. If there is a resemblance beteeen Tony, the father shown in these photos, it needs explaining, as he is pasted in to the photos. If he is indeed the father, there should be photos of the two together. But there are not, only forgeries. There is more to learn, but I think I have that part of the mystery solved.I have to write an addendum later.

      I have seen evidence in my own life that DNA is credible science, a man who spent 14 years in prison for a crime he did not committed was exonerated, and another man 30 years later accused of that same crime based on DNA, with (at present only) circumstantial evidence very supportive of his guilt. It may come to trial. My point is that DNA so far has proven a strong indicator of innocence and guilt. I tend to trust it, in the right hands. Someone above mentioned that is would be useful in these fake death zombie cases, but there it would be placed in the wrong hands and would not be trustworthy.

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      1. Mark, if DNA test could prove somebody’s innocence why not use it on fresh incarcerated persons? The test exists since the early 80-s and they need decades to use it on persons who spend their entire life in prison only? It’s not a big deal anymore. And besides if you can prove some DNA belongs to somebody else, does it prove the first person wasn’t there? If nobody saw you does it prove you wasn’t there? If they know for sure somebody is the killer, they additionally positively “test” his DNA on some evidence. Same thing, it creates credibility. I think they sometimes let some very old people who has not much to live anymore and are not dangerous out of jail only to support the credibility of the test. The DNA-fingerprint test itself was never scientifically tested. In the 80-s critics wanted to split 1000 blood probes and to match them again using this test which would easily demonstrate the accuracy but this was never done.

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        1. I will link you to the person who was released after 15 years in prison. It is a telling story.

          https://www.innocenceproject.org/cases/jimmy-ray-bromgard/

          Jimmy did not commit the crime, but it was of such a gruesome nature that police needed to “solve” it in order to satisfy the public that they are good at their job. They had no clues, no leads, and so merely chose Jim as a scapegoat, gave him a drunken lout for an attorney, and railroaded him by use of hair sample comparisons. Because the hair sample evidence amounted to fraud, the State of Montana was forced to pay $2 million in damages. It is rare they are held accountable in that manner.

          The point is DNA worked, and I know it for a fact. Why is it not used more? Cost. It is cheaper by the day and used more and more, but understand that fraud is at the center of most science, and any test can be manipulated. In the case I cite, it was real. It also now is pointing towards a man who might be the real culprit. I did some research on my own and found that this man lived but one block from us at that time. It is by means of DNA alone that he was identified. The case is pending, so I cannot speak conclusively.

          http://mtstandard.com/crime-and-courts/as-tipton-pleads-not-guilty-rape-victim-hopes-new-charges/article_4177c49c-8c21-5109-a6d6-01694b4d8949.html

          I was of the opinion this crime would never be solved, but DNA has given me hope, so don’t be so dismissive.

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          1. on 10.01.2002 he became the 111th person…come on Mark. The story reads like an episode of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit….” In New York City, the dedicated detectives who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Special Victims Unit. These are their stories”…etc. You know what I mean. It’s all fake news. The other link about the new offender reads like black washing this CODIS system. And they conveniently don’t mention that the test gives only a probability of a match. Do you know how they create this pattern called gel electrophoresis? It’s like reading coffee grounds.

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          2. It is my family that suffered the crime. It was very real. Jim and I are now Facebook friends. the Montana Supreme Court will convene in Bozeman, Montana, to resolve statute of limitation issues regarding a trial of Mr. Tipton on April 18. If he goes to trial, I will be called to testify, as I did in the first trial of Jim in 1988.

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  5. there maybe a resemblance between Evita Peron’s mother and the singer Madonna though. Certain characteristics sometimes skip a generation or two but don’t get lost totally.

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    1. I compared the two side by side about 2/3 through the article … nothing definitive of course, but they have similar eyes, noses, head shape, and identical facial creases in 1950, 1962, and on Little Nonna. Those creases are a distinct feature, not an aging feature but a genetic trait.

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      1. that’s because you had two matching pictures of similar size and orientation and because the two faces are not much different. They are supposed to be family anyway. Even if the daughter goes after father, some characteristics of the mother always can be found. I see that on my children. My oldest daughter went very much after her father but if she’s asleep she looks like me. First children mostly are daughters and go after father. If the first child is a boy, there often was a previous miscarriage and the parents usually prefer to keep this between them. I know a lot of people who did that. I don’t think your method of face comparison is very reliable. Pictures reduce features to two dimensions anyway.

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        1. The only other available means of testing is to go visit (or exhume) these people. You will note in reading the blog post that most of my effort is in gathering other information, as I was aware that the one photo overlay was merely a direction indicator. From there we saw the timeline, the fact that Little Nonna, whose recording career throughout is of a weak voice enhanced by studio trickery and production values, is given a part in a major motion picture that requires real singing ability, the type of performers that Andrew Lloyd Weber uses in his stage productions, people of real talent. Use of Little Nonna makes no sense. The family photos are a disaster. If this is a real family, there should be photos. Something is uncovered here, and Eva (who I can easily see faked her death) becoming Madonna Fortin is part of it. She had to go somewhere. I have more work to do today.

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          1. I watched other googled photos. This here looks very fake. A fake picture is of no value. It contains no valuable information. It not even proves, the same source will lie next time. Anyway google shows many pictures of Juana Ibarguren (the mother) and also of Erminda (sister). Erminda has resemblance to Little Nonna, Evita has resemblance to Juan Duarte. As for Little Nonna, she worked hard and with years of practice she learned some of what she had not talent for. The fact, that they chose her to play Evita speaks for itself. Same with Mel Gibson playing Fletcher from Bounty and the second time a Fletcher in Conspiracy Theories. What also comes to my mind, this Juana Ibarguren was low level, right? How come there are so many pictures of her? Photography was expensive and complicated back then especially in backward Argentina over 100 years ago.

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      1. You’ve done a truely impressive amount of work here, Mark. My day job has been taking most of my time so far this week, but tomorrow and Friday might give me a little more free time …

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    1. The problem is, and stop and think about it, I have come across only three photos of Madonna Fortin Coccine, one of which is not her. Eva, on the other hand, might have been a project, where more than one was used in public appearances. That is still left to understand. These projects can consume a person.

      Do take time to consider the other evidence in this very long blog post, another to follow. Ask yourself why a family in the early 1960s has only one photo, itself fake.

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  6. Everyone has MS Paint and can do face splitting, merely making sure the eyes are set to common distance. The method proved to be defective too many times. I have not abandoned it, but do not publish it anymore. The overlay is what exposed so many errors. The overlay problem is the presentation … the complaint I got was that people did it want to stare into their screens for extended periods, so step it up! But when working with overlays, the process is so painstakingly slow as to be painfully tedious. I dread the hours it takes and all the mismatches. When everything works, as it did with Eva/Madonna Fortin, Eureka! Then to sell it … you make a good point.

    The fact that I have several commenters who don’t like the results … they’ve not swayed me. If that were the case, I’d have to give this up. The hours that go into a post versus the minutes to comment … it’s not that I don’t listen, but I’ve got a whole body of evidence. They have only dealt with photos.

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  7. Just here to add another comment from one more dissenter who doesn’t agree with your photo comparison and conclusion, Mark. Using only one obviously doctored image of Eva Peron is not useful. A more serious comparison and analysis should involve using multiple images, from different angles and time periods. Granted, there aren’t many photos of Madonna, but still, I don’t see what you see; in fact, I see different mouths/smiles, eyes, and noses…not the same person at all. Besides, Madonna is a fairly attractive woman, while Eva is much less so, even masculine-looking in many photos, especially from the side. Funny how we all can choose to see, hear and believe what we want to, isn’t it?

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    1. Why are there not more images of Madonna? Why were the family photos forged? Why are there two separate mothers? Why did Little Nonni get the part of Evita? Why did Little Nonni wait until 2010 to do a tribute to her mother? Why did Evita’s body disappear for 17 years? Why were there wax dummy images of Evita? What was the deal with use of glycerine to make the corpse look “lifelike?” Did you notice how much the second Madonna in the family photos resembles Madonna, almost like sisters? Why is Joan Gustafson Ciccone’s genealogy scrubbed?

      While I trust my photo analysis here, it is more than just photos.

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